Lore or player based name corroboration instead of naming 'rules'

[Syrox01]

@Cherax

But i have yet to find anything lore wise to each species

Click each “race” (see species) for their own pages.
https://wiki.beestation13.com/view/Guide_to_races

[Fuzzy]

@taste_of_a_liar

All in all, If Beestation wants to encourage an RP setting in a more enjoyable way for the community then giving people the ability to add backstories to their characters, like with medical records, security records, personnel records, etc, would help this.

This won’t happen either. On Bee you are being conducted by the standards that the staff thinks makes for a good roleplaying server and for whatever reason giving players the abity to devlop their characters isn’t on the table. I’m not even sure if heads of staff approve of players making character sheets or having “statics” for the matter. I would imainge they would perfer us to all play on random and just make characters every round somehow. Devlopment be damned.

I don’t like the narrtive being set with the idea that Naming guidelines are more important that they actually are. The idea that if they were gone (apart from clear meme references) the server would be a mess magically nor do I think it should be up to the staff to decide that one player “isn’t being orignal enough” when making their character’s name but I digress.

[Cherax]

Thanks, I have seen many of these sheets…
Ah, those are hyperlinks…

Thanks a bunch. I guess i was blind for quite some time now.

Guide to races isn’t really easy to find in the first place. As it is not found under guides.
And there is no mention on that there is lore behind those hyperlinks either.

Ozzelings don’t have a hyperlink and simply a mention among all the different slime people.

Anyways, thanks everyone for the warm reception.

[Syrox01]

@Cherax

Ozzelings don’t have a hyperlink and simply a mention among all the different slime people.

Scroll back up. its in the roundstart races group, I think you are looking at the xenobio ones under mutants.
https://wiki.beestation13.com/view/Oozeling

[Cherax]

i cannot state my blindness more in any conceivable way.
I must have thought that that was the guide to slimes for some reason…

Anyways, the topic went on a tangent about where the lore is buried for long enough

[ColonelOrion]

Hiya, welcome to bee @Cherax!
Yes the name guidelines are silly.
No, the rules surrounding them will not be fixed.

The powers that Bee (Beestation staff) are VERY aggressive with naming guidelines because the trust isn’t there that if the players are permitted to come up with off-guideline names there won’t be a ton of people called dumb stuff like “Kent Semenoff” or something silly like that.

It is what it is. Part of the culture, not going to change. Be thankful that’s the oddest thing that the staff exercise power regarding. It could be a LOT worse.

Here’s a greatest hits montage of this exact thread that’s been made a bunch of times before:

An Actually Well-Written Analysis of Naming Guidelines

[image] I said I’d write a thought-out suggestion if I was given ideas on how to do so, so here we go. I could be writing my college application right now but I choose instead to write an essay nobody will read. One of the most hotly-debated topics on the beestation forums is the value or lack thereof of our “Naming Guidelines”, a subsection of the rules intended to aid Rule 1: You Must Roleplay. This analysis will attempt to provide non-biased pros and cons of our current system and suggest …

How to fix the naming guidelines

Hi, here’s how you fix naming guidelines. People doing immersion breaking stuff are covered in rule 1. Please seriously consider replacing this enormous waste of mod/admin time with the following Naming Suggestions: [image]

Summary

<a name="naming-suggestions-1" class="anchor" href="#naming-suggestions-1"></a>Naming Suggestions This page provides naming suggestions to help players promote and encourage RP. Please note that names that contain profanit…

Bee's naming guidelines suck, and don't improve RP

Title, they simply aren’t good for RP and regularly are against encouragement for RP. You can have a perfectly good, IC reason for having a certain name but then you’ll be bwoinked and told ‘this name doesn’t work’ even though you’ve played the character for a long time and developed lore for them, which all gets thrown out the moment you’re forced to change names to ‘fit the standard’ Hasn’t happened to me yet, but it’s happened to many. Instead of focusing on things that would improve/encour…

Naming Guidelines should be more of a suggestion

So after a long time away due to Beestation becoming more LRP, I decided to come back. I was hopeful but soon hit with a bwoink for naming my robot Bo. Now I understand why we can’t just name our characters literally anything, but this is severely limiting character and roleplay potential Let’s take a look at Bo: Bo was purchased from NT as a butler and was the primary caretaker of 3 small children for 10 years. He was named by that family as something that would be easy to pronounce and sound…

Accurately Named Naming Guidelines (who would have guessed)

Guideline Noun Information intended to advise people on how something should be done or what something should be. “Guidelines are recommendations that guide for best practices and behaviors, whereas rules are lawful and permanent guidelines that one must follow…” Just… Stop following them as a set-in-stone rule. If it’s not a memey name let it fly. This is the only server that enforces naming as a rule and not a suggestion. Or, alternatively, rename them to naming rules so we don’t have to e…

[Cherax]

Thanks for a collection of all these previous discussions @ColonelOrion

I see that this is a was a well discussed topic beforehand.
From people that a much better at constructing arguments than i can.

For my last contribution.

Today i have seen a player breaking the convention for tajaran on my regular server.
I talked to them about it.
They simply answered, that haven’t seen anyone else play tajaran.

And in fact, neither did I see anyone play tajaran in weeks.
No one is there to play an example.
Maybe no one wants to play the example.
(They did have a really nice name for cat like species, funny enough, that name would have been legal for felinids.)

The last thing i wanted to do is berate the only person playing that species in weeks and be the buzzkill for them.

Anyways, I will stop investing myself in this topic any further.
As i am currently wondering if I should invest myself playing on Beestation any further.

I hope we see eachother in one of those rounds and have a great lot of fun together.
Even those that disagree with me.

[Varo]

[DatFrostys]

It’s funny to me that rules that are enforced so harshly are written by people that barely play the server anymore!

[WilsonPH]

Playing and admining at the same time burns you out super fast, trust me.

[SmallerGuy]

i don’t mind the naming guidelines as much as other people, but also i’m still relatively new so i guess i missed… previous tribulations regarding the topic that may have soured many.

anyway, my hot take is that every species (except humans and felinids since they can already do pretty much whatever) should have at least two different naming convention options like lizards and moths do.

imo the “Does-The-Action” and the ashwalker-esque names can both be quickly read as lizard while still giving people a little more freedom. plasmamen and everybody else who gets kinda screwed in the name game should have something like that, too. again, imo.

edit: welcome to bee, by the way!

[Fuzzy]

I can’t believe my saga wasn’t there

How important should naming conventions be on Bee?

This is a topic I figured I’d ask here since it seems that the name guildelines are one of the more stricter rules on Bee. We all know that calling yourself “BAN EVADER” and “Bill Science” is epic and funny but I’m more asking about the species specific guildlines. Lizards must aways be Verb-The-Noun or related to elder scrolls somehow Plasmamen and Ethereals must have name related to chemistry or mythology Oozeling must always have a colour related name with “son” at the end of their s…

Naming Guidelines Poll

Just to settle some curiosity about the player base, here’s a poll for what you’d like to see done about the naming guidelines. This is due to yet another discussion on the Discord server about it. The first poll for the severity of the guidelines: poll The second poll for the options of the guidelines: poll

We’re still waiting for the in-game poll till this day

[PerishedFraud]

This thread really reveals some dark truths about our players and the topic was about naming guidelines, of all things. Jeez…

Anyway, there’s a very good reason this rule isn’t removed yet, but I think it won’t be here forever, going purely based on logic.

I do wish that punishment for bad names just gave you a day’s ban and didn’t scale with repeat offense though. Anything more for such a minor offense is ridiculous.

I also wish that people didn’t report each other for this unless they actually did LRP things. How petty can you get?

In conclusion

[PinkSuzuki]

What’s so difficult about following this one rule

[ColonelOrion]

I’ll include your threads the next time this exact thread gets made.
Lol

[Varo]

Yeah people who ahelp names are lame, I’ve only done It when its something like one guy whose last name was prepucio which is foreskin in spanish OR if they are a clearly a new player who is going to get bwoinked anyways because they don’t know the rules and I trust admins will be kind to them like they were to me when I was new

But yeah if I see a name thats a reference or kinda bending the rules I’m not snitching

[PerishedFraud]

The guy who kept playing as the blade runner guy and only got caught after ageeeees is a legend. Truly an undercover detective.

[Ambiic]

Let’s hold public votes for who’s name gets executed every weekend. I’ll vote for The Real Captain, true LRP name.

[Fuzzy]

I’m more likely to LOOC the person letting them know to be careful on this server since they tend to go after people with names that aren’t the norm.

I will fully admit I do not report name guildelines breaking because it’s

1. Something that I’m against being a rule as it serves no purpose other than limit players creativity.
2. Literally wastes admins time that could be focus on something else.

Why should I put time and effort because someone named their Moth character two words instead of one when there’s probably something way more apparent happening on the server at that time?

That’s the real problem that I think guildelines suffer from, it wastes everyone’s time and causes unnecessary drama.

Removing offensive names should be all the guildelines who do anything more are perferences set by the server and aren’t necessary for Beestation to thrive.

[CoffeePanda]

Honestly I thought the problem with naming guidelines was the lack of communication. Pretty sure Truthbringer had their name for awhile and all of a sudden kerblammed.
Getting called out for a unacceptable name immediately should be fine. Getting called out after having the name for months after it seemed fine is a bit… Yeah. Never really had a problem with names even with several characters.
My take away from this is that more admins means the naming guidelines gets more relaxed. (So apply!!!)