Most people are actually pretty positive towards Ruko’s changes, only the people who are still around because they like the combat or miss the days when golden was still up throw a fit over them… the coders do their work for free and if it weren’t for them we’d have no players at all, they don’t have to code every single thing you tell them you want put into the game unless you’re planning on cutting their checks?
“Most people are actually pretty positive towards Ruko’s changes,”
Even if this is the case, it doesn’t matter. He still has the attitude that he can code whatever he wants in regardless of player feedback. That’s not a healthy mindset to have. Devs that do this sort of thing for other games get criticised heavily for it. Why should it be any different here?
Also, this “coders do it for free” argument doesn’t really help. While I can appreciate the work they do, I can also criticise it. Doing things for free does not grant freedom for criticism and suggestions.
Community opinions, ideas and suggestions do matter. This entire thread’sThe thread this was yoinked from’s purpose is to gather those. It wouldn’t exist if @WilsonPH had no care for them at all before aiming to make a change. If you’re interpreting what I’m saying in the way you’re claiming, you’re being defensive and closed off. I’ll try to dial the hostility back again myself and try to make my point again with the help of someone much greater than me at explaining these things.
You, and everyone else have ideas and opinions that matter. They’re great to have, great to share and improve upon. Discussions about ideas and changes can only improve them as more minds get together and approach the problems people see from different angles. Sometimes those angles clash, and sometimes there was never even a problem to solve.
You as a person with an idea are asking coders for a favor when you are asking them to implement your ideas. “When you code it” isn’t a dismissal of an idea (depending on the exact circumstances it is used, at least). It’s an invitation to bring your idea into the game yourself, and a statement that “I am not interested in spending my free time on your idea”.
Additionally, you as a person with an idea, telling coders what to do… well it’s like telling someone to do something for you instead of asking for the favor politely. It’s going to be perceived as and responded to with hostility most of the time.
No I don’t at all. I wouldn’t be wasting my time on this conversation if I didn’t care either.
The funny part is I haven’t actually made any suggestions thus far. I have just criticised that coders do not have any more of a valuable opinion than your average player.
And yet it has turned into me “TELLING coders what to do.” Not once have I said coders ‘need’ to listen to players suggestions. Just that they should factor in player’s opinions regardless of their own personal biases. If I came off any other way, I apologise. It was not the point I was trying to get across.
““When you code it” isn’t a dismissal of an idea (depending on the exact circumstances it is used, at least)”"
In the exact circumstances it was used, it was a dismissal. As a refresher:
McMashugana replied: “Maybe code something that is new and not change what makes the thing unique?”
WilsonPH replied: “Why don’t you try?”
This is the very definition of a dismissal. They replied to a suggestion with a deflection for said commenter to do it themselves. They dismissed their comment.
I mean, technically you’re not wrong. It was dismissive in this case, but what was being dismissed was not anyone’s idea.
I’ve already addressed that post as being an intentionally inflammatory and bad faith comment. Anyone and everyone should dismiss it as unhelpful to the conversation, not just coders.
If you want to genuinely claim that this
Is an idea presented in good faith and worth considering in the full context of the previous thread, I think I’m gonna stop wasting my time now
Maybe if we had a proper guide to byond coding that isn’t 20+ years old and the language itself wasn’t a massive headache to learn and make sense of we would have more people trying to code. I say this as someone who has tried and very much failed, despite spending dozens of hours trying to learn.
That is exactly why I made that poll, to see what the community thought would be the best way to nerf the emag.
However, posts like ‘dood all the coders do is remove fun stuff from the game and never improve’ is in no way, shape or form a valuable form of feedback and thus was dismissed.
“Maybe code something that is new and not change what makes the thing unique?”
This doesn’t just boil down to “coder bad removing fun.” It is an actual suggestion, and this is something you straight up replied to and dismissed. “Focus on new things and stop prioritising nerfs” essentially replied to with “do it yourself.”
PS you made the post to see what the community thought, but then got upset when they had something different in mind compared to what you had in mind.
I’m sorry but giving out such vague suggestions as ‘just think of something new, duh’ is barely feedback. Ya want things to change? Give ideas that are more defined than that. And it’s especially infuriating when it comes from someone who only ever gave out vague advice.
And I mean this with all sincerity, try thinking up a new item that would make the emag less popular without it being stupid OP, see how it goes.