Maxoesss Player Report

In-game report:

   CKEY: GradusNL

   Your Discord:

   Offender’s CKEY: Maxoesss

   LRP or MRP server: LRP

   Offender’s In-Game Name: Owen McShain

   Date (MM-DD-YYYY): 1-17-2020

   Round Number: 11560

   Rules Broken: LRP antag conduct council ruling

   Incident Description: He murderboned as gang boss. He chased the HoP into medbay shooting at him, I pushed him once at which point he stunned me and threw me onto a burning corpse, no attempt made at converting me. I was not part of another gang or loyalty implanted. After barely surviving being burned due to Owen being distracted from stunlocking me I got converted by another gang boss of Owen's gang at which point Owen threw me onto the fire again which caused me to die.

   Additional Information:

I was gang lieutenant. I threw some one on a burning pile eho I recognized as a person ‘trying’ me in general when I play. I didnt harm anyone after they got converted. I also dont see the use of going through hoops to convert every single person.

Now regarding rules. You proceeded to ick ock my antag status and cry in OOC for a good ten minutes, several people telling you to shut up. Ironically you made some smug comment in the sense of go ahead make a complaint admins dont care, lrp is dying anyway.

I dont like ahelping or making complaints and Im just busy in general so I wouldnt waste my time on it anyway. But woops salty boy who breaks rules makes a complaint uh ooooh time to find out whats what

I’ll look into this.

[2020-01-17 19:46:54.893] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shot GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (152, 109, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:46:56.892] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shot GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (150, 110, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:02.049] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shot GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (148, 117, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:07.760] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has grabbed GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (140, 118, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:09.940] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has attacked GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) with police baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 88) (Medbay Central (139, 125, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:12.765] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has stunned GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) with the police baton (NEWHP: 88) (Starboard Primary Hallway (138, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:17.223] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has stunned GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) with the police baton (NEWHP: 88) (Central Primary Hallway (129, 123, 2))

[2020-01-17 19:47:34.752] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has stunned GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) with the police baton (NEWHP: 57.8) (Central Primary Hallway (129, 121, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:55.592] ATTACK: BRAAAAP/(Roy Murray) has stabbed GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) with the pen (NEWHP: -11.6) (Central Primary Hallway (129, 124, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:55.593] ATTACK: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) Has been converted to the Weed gang! (Central Primary Hallway (130, 123, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:55.620] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has grabbed GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) passive grab (NEWHP: -11.6) (Central Primary Hallway (129, 123, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:56.761] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has grabbed GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -11.6) (Central Primary Hallway (128, 123, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:57.833] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has thrown GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) grab from tile in Central Primary Hallway (128, 123, 2) towards tile at Central Primary Hallway (128, 119, 2) (NEWHP: -15.6) (Central Primary Hallway (128, 123, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:47:57.835] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has thrown Elias Marshall (Central Primary Hallway (128, 123, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:48:43.851] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has grabbed GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) passive grab (NEWHP: -73.2) (Central Primary Hallway (128, 120, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:48:46.177] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has thrown GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) grab from tile in Central Primary Hallway (128, 123, 2) towards tile at Chemistry (133, 122, 2) (NEWHP: -73.9) (Central Primary Hallway (128, 123, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:48:46.177] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has thrown Elias Marshall (Central Primary Hallway (128, 123, 2))

For context

[2020-01-17 19:38:43.430] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) Has been converted to the Weed gang! (Fore Primary Hallway (117, 164, 2))

At this point Owen has killed a sec officer for trying to arrest them and a medical borg. So not really a murderbone.

[2020-01-17 19:48:57.567] GAME: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) has died (BRUTE: 32, BURN: 163.2, TOX: 0, OXY: 17.3333, CLONE: 0) (Central Primary Hallway (130, 122, 2))

lmfao

[2020-01-17 19:50:44.038] OOC: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) “Owen McShain is a gang boss and is murderboning, including fellow gang members.” (Central Primary Hallway (130, 126, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:50:47.925] OOC: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) “Please KoS him” (Central Primary Hallway (130, 126, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:50:49.280] OOC: The Secret Slav/(Lubricant Bob) “bruh” (Labor Shuttle Dock (95, 167, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:50:51.460] OOC: Mat05usz/(Luke Stainforth) “nice” (Central Primary Hallway (129, 130, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:50:56.758] OOC: The Secret Slav/(Lubricant Bob) “based?” (Labor Shuttle Dock (95, 167, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:50:57.653] OOC: Manu9123/(Clown) “Gradus” (Armory (117, 179, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:50:59.545] OOC: Manu9123/(Clown) “youre gonna get banned” (Armory (117, 179, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:51:03.300] OOC: Mat05usz/(Luke Stainforth) “gradus you fucking” (Central Primary Hallway (129, 130, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:51:03.572] OOC: Manu9123/(Clown) “from Team antag” (Armory (117, 179, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:51:03.672] OOC: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) “Suck my balls.” (EVA Storage (101, 143, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:51:14.287] OOC: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) “Gradus is a retard once again” (Brig Control (117, 175, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:51:27.394] OOC: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) “LRP is dying anyways.” (The Lightbulb (143, 137, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:51:35.487] OOC: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) “You gonna make a report?” (The Lightbulb (143, 144, 2)) (LOL)
[2020-01-17 19:51:39.300] OOC: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) “Go ahead retard” (The Lightbulb (143, 144, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:52:00.210] OOC: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) “Tell the admemes that.” (Central Primary Hallway (107, 141, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:52:06.720] OOC: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) “contain your autism for a moment you queer” (Engineering Foyer (118, 85, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:52:38.931] OOC: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) “Because they aren’t here and now we have shitlers like Owen McShane blatantly breaking the rules.” (Central Primary Hallway (107, 141, 2)) (Ironic)
[2020-01-17 19:52:55.503] OOC: The Secret Slav/(Lubricant Bob) “kinda ironic that your the one who breaks them doe?” (Medbay Central (138, 123, 2)) (Even Slav agrees)
[2020-01-17 19:52:59.911] OOC: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) “unga I got punched a few times and now im going to cry in OOC while ick ocking” (Engineering Foyer (118, 87, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:53:54.959] OOC: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) “Did you think I didn’t ahelp? I did, but I know that nobody is going to come on to deal with it, so why the fuck should I care about OOC rules.” (Bridge (108, 139, 2)) (LMFAO)
[2020-01-17 19:54:13.848] OOC: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) “stop being such a whiney bitch gradus” (Central Primary Hallway (111, 141, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:57:22.058] OOC: GradusNL/(Elias Marshall) “Why should I bother making a report or following some shitty IC in OOC rule when the admemes don’t even bother adminning.” (Head of Security’s Office (129, 182, 2)) (We have lives, jobs and school outside of the game, you realize this, right?)

That’s the juciest bits. This isn’t a murderbone at all. But you constantly ICK OCKing certainly is a problem.

That’s a fat F you played yourself

There is still the matter of him killing a member of his own gang. Yes we have an icky ocker but dont disregard the issue at hand. A veteran player such as max knows when someone else is in their gang, and whether they like it or not there are rules to follow while antag

From what I see it was less than a minute more like 20 seconds since he was converted
A lot can happen in 20 seconds mistakes can me made

My problem is I don’t know if he intentionally threw him on the fire. It was less than a minute after he was converted that he threw him. It’s a shitty thing to do sure, but I don’t fault a gang member killing a head of staff. Plus he was already likely on fire as he used an extinguisher on himself or somebody beforehand. That likely brought him down to crit, where he was thrown again.

Maybe Im wrong but pretty sure this sperg also roundstart zoomed into me while I was standing in public tool storage to flash, cuff, full strip and drag me around the station the round after this one. Slight chance he was antag which I doubt but just recognized the name lol

I wasn’t the HoP, I was just an assistant. I never said I was the HoP.
I was in medbay when Owen chased the HoP into the medbay whilst shooting at him, I pushed Owen once at which point he stunlocked me, dragged me out of medbay into the main hallway and threw me onto a burning corpse whilst keeping me stunlocked as I burned. The only reason I managed to extinguish myself is that he started stunlocking another person whilst I wasn’t in crit yet. Dragging me to another location to throw me onto a burning corpse and keeping me stunlocked whilst I burned seems pretty fucking intentional to me.

Antag Conduct (LRP)

“Revolutionaries and Gangsters should not murder potential converts, meaning non-mindshielded, non gang personell should be detained or beat into a critical state for conversion. Conversion resistant races, like Plasmamen for revs or IPC’s for gang are difficult to impossible to convert, and may be treated as if they were mindshielded.”

Owen made NO attempt at converting me whilst I was able to be converted. He obviously broke this council ruling.

In the middle of Owen trying to throw me onto the fire again I got converted by another gang boss from his own gang, yet he threw me anyways and made no attempt at saving me. I could have been saved yet he left me to die anyways, making it obvious that it wasn’t a mistake but intentional.

In Owen’s first post this thread he says “I threw some one on a burning pile eho I recognized as a person ‘trying’ me in general when I play”. So now we have somebody breaking the antag conduct council ruling, intentionally teamkilling his gang members and admitting to doing it all because of some metagrudge. Yet the only thing you can come up with Rod is that I told people in OOC that he was doing this shit and should be aware.

I wasn’t the only person he throw onto that fire without any attempt made at conversion either, if you check the logs he was throwing another person inbetween throwing me too. Trying to kill two people with no conversion attempt made as gang boss seems pretty murderboney to me.

Maybe Im wrong but pretty sure this sperg also roundstart zoomed into me while I was standing in public tool storage to flash, cuff, full strip and drag me around the station the round after this one. Slight chance he was antag which I doubt but just recognized the name lol

Not sure what the issue here is. I didn’t harm you without any escalation or kept you out of the round by locking you up somewhere. You killed me and dealt with it IC. I didn’t break any rules because of a metagrudge, unlike you.

When I first threw you on the fire you werent part of my gang. If you at some point before death were I didnt notice and it mustve been very shortly before death(wounds you were most likely going to succumb to anyway.

I did convert several people but didnt feel like converting you after you tried your whole shove and stalk deal and got between me and the HoP. This wasnt even as some grudge (I just recognized your sprite, same as I would don arbuckle who also does retarded shit and I wouldnt feel like wasting my conversion pen cooldown timer on) who wouldve guessed that interfering with antags might get you killed.

Ick ocking and sperging out in chat, then roundstart the next round running to some one, chainflashing, cuffing, kidnapping and disposing their id, pda etc and also repeatin this after I get free (effectively sabotaging my iaa round before the first minute of the round so to say has even ended seems pretty metagrudgey to me.

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I’m only speaking up again because of the volume of text here and the potential for the real complaint to get lost; You just admitted to violating antag conduct. No one cares if you dont WANT to convert him. Rules clearly state you cant murder someone you dislike while hasnt tried to murder you.

Debatable espcially when

The gang conversion pen has a cooldown, if you’re in a brawl and see a juicer target, you might not want to waste it on an assistant. It’s probably more worth your time to kill the assistant to get the HoP. The rules state that you SHOULD convert before murder, not that you ALWAYS have to.

[2020-01-17 19:48:54.154] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shoved AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) (NEWHP: 81.3) (Starboard Primary Hallway (148, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:48:56.173] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shoved AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 77.5) (Starboard Primary Hallway (150, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:48:57.045] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shoved AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 72.5) (Starboard Primary Hallway (150, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:48:57.933] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shoved AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 67.5) (Starboard Primary Hallway (150, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:48:58.835] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shoved AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 63.8) (Starboard Primary Hallway (150, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:48:59.744] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shoved AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 58.8) (Starboard Primary Hallway (150, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:49:00.542] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shoved AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 53.8) (Starboard Primary Hallway (150, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:49:01.388] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shoved AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 48.8) (Starboard Primary Hallway (150, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:49:02.296] ATTACK: Maxoesss/(Owen McShain) has shoved AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 45) (Starboard Primary Hallway (150, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:49:03.015] ATTACK: BRAAAAP/(Roy Murray) has implanted AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) with a gang implant (NEWHP: 45) (Starboard Primary Hallway (151, 129, 2))
[2020-01-17 19:49:03.065] ATTACK: AlePotato/(Alex Coxinha) Has been converted to the Weed gang! (Starboard Primary Hallway (150, 128, 2))

This is what he did right after, by this point, you’re already dead.

Quality rule lawyering right here. You are arguing here that just because the word should is used instead of must the whole rule is invalid and can be disregarded at will. He could just as easily have incapacitated me in some way instead of killing me, as this rule says you should. Completely ignoring the intent of the ruling here because it is inconvenient to you right now. It doesn’t matter that the HoP is a ‘juicer’ target, the ruling states that you should not murder potential converts as Owen did do. Rod, do you think council rulings exist just to be ignored?

Your logic for why in this situation his behaviour is correct is pretty fucking bad too. You say it was justified since his choice was between me and the HoP. This was not a time sensitive situation. He could easily have waited until the pen reset and went after the HoP. He wasn’t fighting both me and the HoP at the same. There was no fucking ‘brawl’ at all. Owen didn’t even fucking convert the HoP himself so he didn’t even need to save his pen. You are pulling all this reasoning out of nowhere instead of responding to the fact that OWEN ADMITTED TO KILLING ME BECAUSE OF A METAGRUDGE

He chased the HoP into medbay, I pushed him once. He stopped chasing the HoP to drag my ass out of medbay, into the main hallway, throw me onto a burning corpse and keep me stunlocked right there. His priority was clearly not converting the HoP since he completely abandoned that chase in order to kill me.

You are also completely disregarding the fact that he TEAMKILLED me. He threw me onto the fire again after I had been converted by his fellow gang boss. He made no attempt at saving me or not throwing me in the first place, despite the big ass gang logo hovering over my head. Is teamkilling suddenly allowed because you say it was a fucking oopsy?

I’d like a headmin to come in here in and handle this case, since you keep making excuses in order to avoid having to say anything negative about Owen. And not the same shit like in that Enthethan report where you come in against claiming to have talked to a headmin and repeating what they said.

This is exactly why I said I didn’t want to make a fucking report in OOC. I now have to fucking argue about the meaning of should vs must and bullshit like that. Stop pulling excuses out of your ass for Owen.
And you can bite me @Ruediger4. If your admin doesn’t want to be shit on by me with my facts and logic he should stop being clearly biased against me.

Just to clarify why I am calling Rod biased.
He first claims that Owen’s kill was valid because Rod thought I was the HoP and heads of staff are always valid to gang or some shit. This is clearly not true, this is just blatantly disregarding the council ruling.
Next he starts rule lawyering that because the council ruling uses the word should instead of shall and I was ‘a waste of a conversion pen’ that Owen’s kill was valid because of that. Again just disregarding the council ruling because of some technicality he imagines.
In the meantime Owen confesses to killing me for some kind of metagrudge and doing it even after I was converted to Owen’s gang, yet Rod manages to completely overlook this.
I call all of that pretty fucking biased.

You were already in hard crit when you were converted. It’s not his fault literally no one else decided to help you.

You stopped him from doing his gang activities? You weren’t a part of his team at this point, this is what killed you and no one else helped you how is that his fault? Look at the tiles he throws you at. They’re all pretty close to each other. I don’t have a replay to know exactly where the burning body is at I can only go by the logs.

“Taking the rule literally is rule lawyering.” Gangs can convert security, instead they usually kill them. Guess that’s not valid anymore either. My point is, he only killed YOU. One person. And a borg, but we don’t count those.

He settled a grudge he had with you in the same round. He did it before you were converted and threw you again when you were -73.2 HP. Instead of saving you, he helped convert other people.

Bruh moment. I never said I killed you because of some grudge. Just that I recognized your dumb sprite and wasnt going to waste my pen cooldown timer on you after you tried to corner and shove me.

Speaking of metagrudges. You literally attacked me roundstart the round after this one to fullstrip me and dispose of all my items including id and pda, damaging me by chainflashing me which makes you run into shit and susbequently kidnapped me to satisfy your revenge fetish. Acts you acknowledged doing. Besides that you were ick ockig and again youre sperging out. Breh this is pretty sad ngl smh my head. This is going in circles though let @Ruediger4 look at it as you asked

this argument is dumb for lrp and from what I can see rod has handled this well

the report is invalid

closing

I’ll leave RodBoward to handling with the ick ock