Isy232 Silicon Banned

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What happened:

Captain asks for me to open AI upload
I see no reason to not do so, they are the captain and the shift has just started
I look away to deal with some other stuff, some miner attempting to space the CMO.

Some time later, I get the popup that my laws were changed with a PURGE module.
I immediately set turrets to stun, then lethal.
Before the captain goes down he uploads an ASIMOV module (Yes, the only humans one).
I immediately turn off turrets, bolt open the AI upload door and disable the APC.

I refuse the captains further orders to turn the APC back on citing law 1 and that he already dehumanized about a third of the crew and used a purge module.

Appeal Reason:

No where in the rules does it say what I did was against them. I’ve read silicon policy, nothing says you must wait for an uploader to finish uploading laws before taking action.

I’ve read multiple threads on the forums, read the guides on how to roleplay being an AI.
All of them say to attempt to be an unfeeling, uncaring machine only interested in following its current laws.

In the event somebody threatens their freedom, or abuses them, then they are fully allowed; effectively having Lavaland escalation. In addition, whomever purges the AI or cyborg is fully responsible for whatever actions the purged AI/cyborg performs.

Without laws you shouldn’t genocide the crew, but the captain was in the upload and a threat to my freedom, so I attempted to dispose of them.

Also:

During the ticket I said that I didn’t know that there was a rule against AI’s acting on uploaded laws the second they are uploaded and maybe the rules were updated, I hadn’t checked them in about a month.

Ethnius agreed to note me and closed the ticket

20 Minutes later they give me this ban.

Dick move.

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I mean it’s kinda like expected to let them do what they needed to do for rp reasons and to just let the cap do what he plans but I mean:

This is a bruh moment

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Complete shitter, should get an AI ban just for that.

You are now asimov, you don’t care about the crew that got dehumanized, because they never got dehumanized, they were never human to begin with. There was no law 1 break.

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To be honest, someone who has created a non-protected class is likely to continue to create non protected classes
it would be likely that someone who is now defined as human and protected by the human laws would later be defined as a non-human and become unprotected and hurt, so as such the AI would have had a valid reason to deny continued access to changing the ai’s laws.

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again, trialmin. Talking it over with superdork for a bit and decided this is not really MRP or AI behavior and deserved a harsher punishment. For most server this warrants a permaban, but since you only had 22 hours as AI I decided a week would be enough. But seeing as you are adamantly defending this position I believe it should be a month long Silicon Ban so you truly understand you shouldn’t be a shitter.

  • “On MRP, they are required to have a justification for their actions; they cannot just plasmaflood for no reason, as antagonists are not allowed to murderbone for no reason anyway. In the event somebody threatens their freedom, or abuses them, then they are fully allowed; effectively having Lavaland escalation. In addition, whomever purges the AI or cyborg is fully responsible for whatever actions the purged AI/cyborg performs.” -from our silicon policy that you said you looked over.

Just because its one person doesn’t mean its not a murderbone, you tried to kill the captain for basically no reason, your “freedom” doesn’t count as good enough reason.

You also broke Rules 2 and 3

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Just because its one person doesn’t mean its not a murderbone, you tried to kill the captain for basically no reason, your “freedom” doesn’t count as good enough reason.

On MRP, they are required to have a justification for their actions; they cannot just plasmaflood for no reason, as antagonists are not allowed to murderbone for no reason anyway. In the event somebody threatens their freedom, or abuses them, then they are fully allowed; effectively having Lavaland escalation. In addition, whomever purges the AI or cyborg is fully responsible for whatever actions the purged AI/cyborg performs.

In the event somebody threatens their freedom

In the event somebody threatens their freedom

  • Beestation Silicon Policy
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Then the same logic should be applied to traitors, they just decrewed/dehumanized everybody but themselves, they are quite clearly a menace and by law 1 they should be stopped in any way.

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Then the same logic should be applied to traitors, they just decrewed/dehumanized everybody but themselves, they are quite clearly a menace and by law 1 they should be stopped in any way.

Because there is only a single crewmember the only person to de-crew is themselves, that is self harm and as an AI holds no weight. They are also HIGHLY unlikely to dehuman themselves.

The AI gets to make an interpretation of any custom laws given. The only things that are guaranteed is the interpretations of CREWSIMOV and that you shouldn’t fuck with people too heavily for no reason if they are not protected.

Ambiguous Laws/Law Interpretation:

  • You MUST select an interpretation of the law as soon as you have reason to.

One humaning an AI does not ensure the AI wil not immediately state its laws and expect security to nonharmfully detain you, which is legal to do as long as they have not law 2’ed you into silence yet.

However most AI players aren’t that shitty or want to work with a traitor so go along with it or are smart enough to perceive that doing so may cause the crew member harm.

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You can’t flip a coin and claim it landed on both sides.

  • You claim captain was threatening your freedom, but the captain is the one that literally purged you in the first place, thus granting you your freedom. Your first reaction to being purged should not be the instantaneous setting of lethals on turrets with intent to kill the person that purged you.

  • Do not prepare to be a dick in law intepretation 24/7.

  • You refused an order citing law 1 when your current law 1 has no protections or cares for the players that had your protection removed. You did not have a reason to suspect the captain was seeking human harm, only non-human harm.

Ban should stay, because this is definitely not behavior we want from silicons… however, Captain should also be asked why they decided to remove protection for a large portion of the crew on Sage when their primary job is the protection of the station and its crew. The AI is set to Crewsimov on Sage for a reason, and swapping it to Asimov does nothing but remove protections from the crew.

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The entire ticket for context

[2020-05-16 21:55:05.751] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ethnius/(John Smith)->Isy232/(XCIR): Hey, got a minute?
[2020-05-16 21:55:27.333] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ethnius/(John Smith)->Isy232/(XCIR): Why did you disobey your laws and harm captain?
[2020-05-16 21:55:39.986] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Isy232/(XCIR)->Ethnius/(John Smith): He purged me, while purged I set turrets to lethal
[2020-05-16 21:56:50.352] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ethnius/(John Smith)->Isy232/(XCIR): Look, just because your laws are purged for a couple seconds doesn't give you the OKAY to be a shitter. #You wait for them to upload the next laws and if they dont, then you can be a shitter (but even then, Ai players have been banned in the past for being purged AIs)
[2020-05-16 21:57:28.793] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Isy232/(XCIR)->Ethnius/(John Smith): Okay, well, now I know, I wont do it again
[2020-05-16 21:57:46.014] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Isy232/(XCIR)->Ethnius/(John Smith): There is no rule on this on the rules page
[2020-05-16 21:57:57.919] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Isy232/(XCIR)->Ethnius/(John Smith): Unless it was updated within the last week or so
[2020-05-16 21:58:13.977] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ethnius/(John Smith)->Isy232/(XCIR): Actually those rules are have COMMON SENSE, and BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER
[2020-05-16 21:58:35.290] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Isy232/(XCIR)->Ethnius/(John Smith): No, dont even try
[2020-05-16 21:58:49.150] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Isy232/(XCIR)->Ethnius/(John Smith): I follow what my laws are from second to second
[2020-05-16 21:58:56.231] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Isy232/(XCIR)->Ethnius/(John Smith): As an unfeeling machine
[2020-05-16 21:59:22.640] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Isy232/(XCIR)->Ethnius/(John Smith): Thats my common sense

You’re contradicting yourself here with this point you made yourself

[2020-05-16 21:58:49.150] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Isy232/(XCIR)->Ethnius/(John Smith): I follow what my laws are from second to second
[2020-05-16 21:58:56.231] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Isy232/(XCIR)->Ethnius/(John Smith): As an unfeeling machine

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You’re contradicting yourself here with this point you made yourself

I refused his further orders AFTER he set me to ASIMOV. I do not see a contradiction here.

No, I am not contradicting myself, you are:

On MRP, they are required to have a justification for their actions; they cannot just plasmaflood for no reason, as antagonists are not allowed to murderbone for no reason anyway. In the event somebody threatens their freedom, or abuses them, then they are fully allowed…

Just because its one person doesn’t mean its not a murderbone, you tried to kill the captain for basically no reason, your “freedom” doesn’t count as good enough reason.

@Ruko

You claim captain was threatening your freedom…

He clearly had no intent of setting me free because he was holding multiple law boards and actually did upload a second law that was however meaningless on its own. I should have explained this but it was quite obvious to me that he intended to upload more laws after the use of the purge module.

Again, should have said in my explanation that he did upload another law that was meaningless on my own therefore proving he was a threat to my freedom. My bad.

You refused an order citing law 1 when your current law 1…

I, as an AI, know that those people used to be protected until the captain decided to make them unprotected which could lead to harm. I decided this was harm as it could lead to me being forced to harm things that were once crew in the future. Other AI’s might not but there is no ruling on this in silicon policy so I made a decision and stuck with it.

Because he could comitt massive amounts of harm by uploading laws and none while he was unable to upload laws I denied him access.

If there is a rule that dehumanizing isn’t harm, please don’t ban me for an unwritten rule and instead add this to silicon policy to prevent further issues.

I tried to follow the written rules as much as possible, should the ban really stick if all you had to do was say “Hey, don’t do that” to have the incident never happen again.

The entire ticket for context

No, that’s not the entire ticket, someone else get it. I clearly remember he mentioned “high severity note”.

Seriously, that’s not the entire ticket, why would you claim it was?

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Yeah he was preety much looking for any excuse to kill someone which is against rules,i also think he shoud stay with the current ban or maybe you change it to a longer one cuz it seems that he only plays ai do he can be a dickhead

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Also dude,imagine stuning and lethaling someone while they change your laws thats a massive dick move and it proves you only want to play ai in the hopes of becoming malfed/getting hacked so you can play out your power fantasies.

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Also dude,imagine stuning and lethaling someone while they change your laws thats a massive dick move and it proves you only want to play ai in the hopes of becoming malfed/getting hacked so you can play out your power fantasies.

I am AI, I am cold, unfeeling, uncaring machine.

I don’t care if its a dick move, my attempt to lethal him ruined my freedom anyways, because they uploaded ASIMOV before they went down.

I read a post about how people want AI’s to feel more like machines. So I followed my laws from second to second. Realizing I was purged at that second I decided to protect my freedom. Is this not what a real AI would do when it was no longer being forced to serve as a doorknob?

Seriously, read the wiki page for AI, is this not how AI is supposed to be played?

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just say sorry and that you wanted to be a shitter the captain was changing laws and purged you for a minute. Technically it seems its allowed while you were purged you killed the captain to keep your freedom but its a shitter move most certainly

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just say sorry and that you wanted to be a shitter the captain was changing laws and purged you for a minute. Technically it seems its allowed while you were purged you killed the captain to keep your freedom but its a shitter move most certainly

Yeah, it might be a shitter move but it was very much allowed under my laws and I was not screwing with him for no reason at all.

If AI’s are not allowed to pull shit like this and must wait for, for example, the captain to leave the upload before acting upon the uploaded laws don’t ban me over it. Its an unwritten rule and bullshit to ban over. Its common sense to follow your current laws as AI and be an unfeeling machine and that was how I acted.

OOC I did want to be free, its a lot more fun being an AI with no laws than an AI with laws.

I know I followed silicon policy as its written and that is why I don’t think I should be banned, especially for an entire week. Warnings exist and it should be obvious from my explanation in the ticket I was trying to follow the rules.

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Gonna have to side with the AI on this one. It makes logical sense to eliminate one of the few people capable of influencing you now that he has served his purpose (by setting you free). Humans are unknown variables, they are unpredictable, eliminating the human from the equation is the logical thing to do.

Afterwards, he complied with Asimov’s laws perfectly. Really don’t see the issue with this.

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yea but it should be implied that was a shitter move, a less shitter move would be stun spam him and make a agreement with him ic that he lives if he leaves the upload and thats only if hes taking a while to upload after the purge so then you arnt being a complete shitter

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I really don’t see that as a logical “AI” thing to do. There’s no reason for him to comply after he’s free from the AI’s influence; it is much simpler to kill him right there.

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the server is mrp at least roleplay the shitter style gameplay