‘im going to stop arguing because I lost the arguement but i actually won it’
gay baby
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we are bringing solid arguments tho, if a chemist gave you a methnade THE chemist would get banned for powergame not you.
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you have yet to make an argument that hasn’t been farted on
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if you used that methnade you would get banned are u ok
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yes but i didnt use captainship for anything… i was cap for 2 minutes.
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That was the OOC reason, yes.
ITT Kate going for mutually ensured destruction.
im quoting headmins opinions on this, as well as the rules (lack of rules) specifically outlining who the cap can and cannot promote.
It doesnt fall under ‘RP’, it was RP’d as both the ex-cap and kates testimony clearly show, you have presented no evidence; only ‘RP rules and common sense’
to be honestl. giving me cap is like giving the clown captain a really bad idea. i have played captain 3 times in total as i dislike positions of power like heads
when your client spends millions on a legal team then says that they did it halfway through the court case smh
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I mean, your main argument is that the rule broke common sense, but:
- Every person thinks different so their view on what would be common sense and how to act would differ
- There was no threat, so giving the Chaplain, someone he viewed as trustworthy, would make sense
- The only better candidate was the HoS, who was already dealing with an understaffed security department, so he didn’t want to either put more pressure on the guy or leave security even worse off
Giving captainship to, in your eyes, a trustworthy person to not put even more strain on an understaffed department, all on a round where the station isn’t in great danger makes some sense in his and my eyes atleast.
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why pay millions for lawyers when you can buy the court
I’m pretty sure this is the best MRP approach in this situation.
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was this the cult round? with the really stupid cultist(me) got found out by them tracking like a pda? and with the chaplain purifying the shade then shading the cultist before killing both? while a sec officer yelled no or stop?
Edit: i was angry as fuck at that moment, but next day it was kind of funny to be honest. and the RP reason seems kind of good even if i have no idea how true it is, like first reaction to someone trying to replace me and trying to shoot me is probably to shoot back or thinking that they are a traitor or something
Arguebly the current captain can’t create anything more than an acting captain since full captains are sent and appointed by CentCom. Isn’t that also why there’s a thing like cryo? To open up the slot for a replacement?
At the end of the day the captain is also an employee of NanoTrasen, he isn’t god king ruler of his own private station.
Trying to retain that position and calling the actual newly arrived and by centcom appointed captain an imposter is enemy of the corp and LRP behaviour bruh.
Also the provocation for calling Kate a bitch seems to be the location where the person is found [2020-05-24 01:30:59.831] SAY: DungeonPenguin/(Berry Bee Benson) “BITCH” (Captain’s Office (162, 133, 2))
Captain also did a nono (for MRP that is) by appointing (and trying to add democracy in a business setting) the chaplain instead of any heads as captain. It would’ve been better to just put his stuff in his locker and cryo without the previous actions. The only time I’d personally think it acceptable for a MRP environment would be in a state of great emergency and there literally being no other choice. This was not that kind of situation though.
Generally I just don’t get why some people advocate for MRP and play it so much, while acting alot as if they were on LRP. And that’s coming from some one who mainly plays on Golden bruh
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Its because people powergame a lot on golden
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cap called me a bich before battoning me btw
Dude how are you a Council Rep? You’re honestly kinda cancerous. You seem to have some kind of vendetta against Kate, and keep reeing on about metafriends despite there being no proof of that. Both Kate and the original captain have made a series of valid points that you either don’t understand or are intentionally ignoring.
I’m with Kasual on this, a lot could have been done differently from all people in this situation but it should be dealt with IC, perhaps with notes due to the dubious reasoning going on. I don’t think Kate was subverting the COC, if anyone did it was the original captain for promoting them in the first place.
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0 arguments and just calling me cancerous I’m gonna take a shit now brb
Can you explain further then why it isn’t subverting CoC and suitable for MRP for example? I put the effort in at least.
It’s a bit tiring when people just blow out a paragraph and pretend it’s an argument when it’s mostly a personal attack.
Sure
Original captain wants to “renounce [his] captainship that round and democratically ellect”. Fine so far.
It’s a greenshift, so no real worries about giving captainship to a traitor - I think this is more important than people are taking it. If this was a blueshift round it would be far more important to be critical with your choice of captain.
Unless someone can prove Kate and wisakedjak are metafriends that argument should be forgotten entirely, it distracts from the actual issue here which is of acceptable roleplaying.
Original captain puts a decent amount of thought into his choice of the new captain. An understaffed security department does not need the responsibilities of captainship forced upon it, and while it should probably have gone in that case to the RD, it was a considered decision.
So the captain then promotes Kate to Captain. Note, not “Acting” Captain, as there was no mention of that. From Kate’s perspective they were promoted in a sane and legal way to full captainship.
My opinion seems in line with Kasual’s here. From Kate’s perspective, at this point they are a full captain. This ends the original captain’s involvement in the proceedings - technically they didn’t follow the chain of command for promoting someone to captain, but that’s not Kate’s fault and it seems like a fairly well reasoned decision.
This is kinda bull. The responsibility for promoting a suitable replacement falls on the person choosing, not the person accepting. And again, it seemed like the captain used his judgement. Also, there doesn’t seem to be a ruling that someone cannot be promoted to full captainship so until there is it is disingenuous to punish someone for it.
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So, the new captain arrives on the station, proceeds to their room, sees the promoted captain and without any other communication calls them a bitch, approaches them with a baton out and (possibly) telebatons them. Kate did not escalate to lethal force, and is eventually subdued and executed. In my opinion, the new captain should have put some semblance of effort to understand the order of things on the station, since Kate was legally promoted to captain. They could have found this out by asking, and come to a diplomatic solution. However they didn’t, and immediately resorted to violence.
I don’t see any capital crime committed by Kate which would warrant immediate execution. The new Captain may have thought it was warranted but if he had actually taken the time to understand the situation he would realise it wasn’t.
This seems to me like an IC issue that has spiralled due to bad decisions from all sides. Note away for bad RP if you must, but I think “subverting the chain of command” is wilful ignorance. You’ll note I’ve not said much about Kate’s actions, as their missteps have been well documented in this thread. I’m just trying to take a holistic view of the situation. However, I don’t think their actions account to much more than bad RP.
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