DatFrostys noted by HelloMate

Title: [CKEY] banned by [Admin’s CKEY]

CKEY: DatFrostys

Admin’s CKEY: HelloMate

Ban Type: Negative Note

Ban Length: XXXX

Ban Date (YYYY/MM/DD/): 2022/04/08 (CET)

Round ID: 37744

Ban Reason: Metagrudging

Appeal Reason: Greetings everyone. I am making this report to appeal a negative note I’ve received following an incident with the user “Samantha Shupe” (unknown CKEY)

Samantha, this round, rushed the mining shuttle, forcing us other miners to also rush as to not “loose time” and be late. They then waited in front of the door to quickly, may I say, “speedrun” the process of taking equipement to then rush the Hierophant.

I do not know about the third miner (Ella), but seeing this, and after arguing about it, came a flurry of push until I tabled them multiple time. I left the scene to go to mine. They then ghosted apparently after being tabled “27 times”.

HelloMate after that, interrogated us about what happened, to which I explained and added the fact that Sam has been doing this in multiple rounds over and over again mixing in what can most likely be considered LRP speak

Hellomate proceeded to say this was overescalation but suddenly changed their mind only to say it is metagrudging.

As I said already in the ticket, this is not really related to past event since the argument started in the shuttle. I just added the detail of it happening before so they may investigate it. (I do not have admin powers so I can’t know if Sam was being an Ass in RP or not)

No one seems to be at fault here and I just think it’s a misunderstanding for even Sam and I had some great teamwork in prior rounds.

(I’ve redone this topic on the ban appeal section after another user suggested me to do so)

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This is an admission that your actions were motivated by what has occurred in previous rounds.

Any negative action (in this case Over-escalation) which is motivated by something which occurred outside of the current game round is metagrudging.


That aside, you should really ahelp or player report a player for these types of actions. The player in question already has a pretty negative history so action is set to escalate: You can see their public history here.

Coincidentally, this is the third player I’m aware of that has a brand new account made this month which has been rushing megafauna and generally proving to be far more experienced at the game than an account their age has any business being. Mention that in the report too, you can see when the account was created via discord:

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it’s almost like there’s a sudden influx of old robust miners doing ban evasion as a group.
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No, I said it in the appeal, my point in saying that was for them to investigate the case

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I took this to mean you were discussing it in the ticket. Where did this discussion take place if not in the ticket?

I’m not sure I understand what you mean but we discussed that in the ticket, yes?

Then you (at least partially) justified your actions by explaining that they have been doing it for multiple rounds from the perspective of the admin handling the ticket.

It is pretty difficult to interpret the situation differently when it flows like this:

Hey what is going on with this conflict

It’s just an IC dispute

But you tabled them 27 times

Hey it’s totally unrelated to the current event, but don’t know you know how much of a shitter they’ve been being in past rounds?

I don’t know exactly how the ticket went, and this is definitely an extreme enough representation to be a caricature, but it definitely sounds like it went something like this.

That doesn’t fix that it still looks like I described from the admin’s perspective. I say this as much as a lawyer on the side of a player trying to stay out of trouble as I do a past admin trying to justify an admin’s judgement:

Never bring up past round occurrences in any ticket. If something happens or has happened in the current round with the involved player it casts immediate doubt on any hostilities between you and that player as being metagrudge related, because you are tangibly still thinking about their actions from previous rounds.

You should be reporting them separately, not waiting until an admin is telling you that you’re in trouble for messing up. Deflection onto the other party never helps your case, especially if you’re bringing up past round events that can’t be checked without a formal player report, even if the statements are true.

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Okay that make absolute sense and now that you show it like that, it’s really well displayed.

But I must say, it was more of an action on my part to show that I wasn’t lying about the silly event unfolding since it happened before. It was in no way there to justify my actions.

in all fairness, i understand the pain. I’ve spent several shifts in a row trying to wrangle Sam into doing her god damn job instead of rushing megafauna. Metagrudge bad but every man has their limit and I cannot fault this man for reaching his

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Samantha, this round, rushed the mining shuttle, forcing us other miners to also rush as to not “loose time” and be late.

I’m sorry if this counts as a peanut, but any attempt at being robust was immediately lost here.

The fact that this guy fucked over his fellow crew just to speedrun harder is already disgusting. The fact that he’s not even speedrunning right just makes it pathetic.

Next time, ask AI to open the teleporter doors and go straight to lavaland. That way you get there faster AND don’t fuck your fellow miners up.

Also let’s not forget that immediately taking the shuttle also means that he never got a discovery scanner, and rushing hiero means he missed out on its points forever.

Bloody amazing.

it’s almost like there’s a sudden influx of old robust miners doing ban evasion as a group.

I wouldn’t jump to conclusions. There are other servers with mining as well. It may very well be a case of people switching to bee for some reason. Nevermind the accounts are also new themselves. That’s a bit shadier.

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Hello!
I’d like to clear a couple things up.

this number: I got it from looking at the attack logs, I didn’t make it up. Counting them again in the logs I’ve cross-referenced I can count a total of 25, so I may have been wrong, but not by much.

I don’t think you are fairly representing what I have said in the tickets here.

I did tell you from the start that I considered what you had done to be metagrudging (i didn’t suddenly come up with it).
Later, I commented that this could be considered overescalation. Although i still do think your response was unwarranted, I believe the main (and most relevant) offense here to be the metagrudging.

While I do understand the fact that the miner you shoved had been an asshole to you during previous rounds, I still consider the best course of actions in cases like this to ahelp and notify the staff of their behaviour, especially if repeated.

I am sorry to have misinterpreted what you said

I’d like to repeat once again that the act was done NOT because of previous rounds but because of this round in particular. If it was another person being silly like that I’d have done the same.

I have a question though, are you sure I was the one tabling 25 times? I really don’t see myself doing it 25 times it’d take a bloody long time

The appeal feels more like a samantha player report and honestly I feel like you should just make the report, a ton of people have had poor experiences with her and it’s clear her intentions on bee arent to roleplay or have a good time with others and are just to purely amass loot. I’m fairly sure i’ve seen her return to the station with the HECK suit more times than I have with a reasonable amount of minerals.

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Don’t worry, it’s not a problem! I’m just offering my perspective.

I have counted shoves, grabs and table-ings.

I absolutely agree that this player should be reported and made accountable for their toxic behaviour if it’s as severe as you both have described.

Unfortunately this was outside the scope of my in-round investigation, as I believe something like this needs to be either reported to staff when it happens (so that we may keep a tab on it), or reported on the forums.

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Hello, sorry for the delay. I’m processing this since I’m an admin now.

The “Samantha Shupe” player has now been banned (suspected evasion).

But, your behaviour during the round was still wrong. You shouldn’t have acted IC on a metagrudge (even if the player in question did something awful).

Even in light of the new events (the mining mass ban [Serial miner ban evader Report - #46 by Ivniinvi]), I still believe the note should be kept, since it truthfully describes what happened.

This sort of behaviour (especially if repeated) should be ahelped/reported, not escalate into a conflict for OOC reasons.


I’ll wait for another admin to weight in on this, but my opinion is that the note should be kept.

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While I still understand the PoV that I did that out of grudge, I’ll repeat myself with this :

This is just my character behavior against assholish behavior. Not exact violence but just pushing the person.

It happened with unrelated miners that also act in similar way even once. The player with the character “Nicholas Tenebris” witnessed this first person.

I’d just like the note to be removed because it doesn’t reflect the reasons I acted. I just play an impulsive (sometimes overreacting while respecting rules) character.

Thank you for still reviewing the appeal after becoming admin, I truly appreciate it.

small post, maybe peanut (hope not), i just want to point out that if you do indeed include all of those, then the number “25” becomes much closer to something like 5/6 tableings, maybe less if the other retaliated, which is massively different. It suddenly turns from “this guy spent 4min stam critting someone else” to “well the person was a cunt and they stam critted them on the table as retaliation while in a fight”.
I think that 25 number may have ended up exaggerating the actions taken against him unfairly

Of course, I’ll post the logs tonight (as soon as I’m home) :+1:

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These are the logs i have access to now, I’ve included the whole encouter (MINER 3’s too) since I believe it to be important to fully understand the scope of the assault on Shupe.
Sorry if I was late, took me a bit to redact the logs from the other ckeys :face_exhaling:
Do tell me if there are issues with the formatting

ALogs

Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:24.765,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has thrown S. Shupe grab from tile in Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5) towards tile at Lavaland Wastes (61, 55, 5) (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:23.723,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:22.677,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:22.098,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has tabled S. Shupe onto the table (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:21.068,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:20.020,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:19.994,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 54, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:19.332,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has tabled S. Shupe onto the table (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:18.984,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 54, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:18.199,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:18.043,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 54, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:17.248,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 54, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:17.173,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:16.373,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has tabled S. Shupe onto the table (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:16.364,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has kicks S. Shupe with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 54, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:16.364,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 54, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:15.318,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:14.289,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:14.254,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 54, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:13.957,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has tabled S. Shupe onto the table (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:13.459,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 54, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:12.863,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:12.542,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 54, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:11.823,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:11.054,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with onto the table (table) (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 54, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:10.505,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:10.051,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has kicks S. Shupe with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:10.051,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:09.446,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:08.007,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has tabled S. Shupe onto the table (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:06.895,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:05.645,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:02.024,“ATTACK: S. Shupe has shoved MINER 3 (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:02.023,“ATTACK: S. Shupe has kicks MINER 3 with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:29:00.384,“ATTACK: S. Shupe has shoved DATFROSTYS with onto the table (table) (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:59.328,“ATTACK: S. Shupe has shoved MINER 3 with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:57.601,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:55.853,“ATTACK: S. Shupe has shoved DATFROSTYS with onto the table (table) (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:54.461,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:52.842,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:50.824,“ATTACK: DATFROSTYS has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 53, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:50.820,“ATTACK: S. Shupe has kicks MINER 3 with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:50.820,“ATTACK: S. Shupe has shoved MINER 3 (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:49.125,“ATTACK: S. Shupe has shoved MINER 3 with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:47.405,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has grabbed S. Shupe aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (65, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:47.007,“ATTACK: S. Shupe has shoved MINER 3 (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:46.199,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 52, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:45.572,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has tabled S. Shupe onto the table (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 51, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:44.550,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has grabbed S. Shupe aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 51, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:43.646,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has grabbed S. Shupe passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (63, 51, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:42.822,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 51, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:42.821,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has kicks S. Shupe with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station EVA (64, 51, 5))”
Apr 28, 2022 @ 16:28:40.994,“ATTACK: MINER 3 has shoved S. Shupe with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Mining Station Starboard Wing (60, 50, 5))”