Aeder1 admin report (Also bloons3 because he appears to be involved)

In-game ahelp misconduct:

CKEY: 

Your Discord: I literally never use it, but here it is: The Maggot Guy#3950

Offender’s CKEY: Aeder1 and Bloons3 (I don't know which, but Aeder was the actual banner and I only learned about it afterwards from bloons on the forums, who had info on it implying he was involved in the ban, or at the very least was aware of it)

Relevant Topics:

My ban appeal, giving an accurate representation of what happened that supposedly warranted the ban I got, this thread is not about that, but I don’t want to retype 100% of everything I said there and it gives more info on what happened in the actual round when they did this

The thread I made complaining about the weird bwoink I got, where I learned I got banned from a different admin commenting on it

LRP or MRP server: MRP

Date: 04-04-2020

Round Number: 14221

Part of Admin Conduct Broken: #8. Ticket Conduct, specifically 8.1, "Admins should reply to every ticket even if it’s not relevant, inform the player of why before closing it. (Not #2, as my job ban may be due to a misunderstanding on how my virus worked, and this is not the thread for that)

Incident Description: I made a harmless joke virus with blood infectivity and a cure of sugar, that I went around infecting people with. (See the ban appeal thread for the symptoms, I've explained it like 4 other times across this forum, and I'm tired of explaining why making someone grow a beard, change color, and say "Abra kadabra" while honking isn't harm.) You might be thinking, "well yeah, you can't go around infecting people as viro" and you'd probably be right (my IC reason was that it was the virus making him think he was a wizard that needed to spread the magic by any means necessary), but not until much later did the admins even remotely say anything about stopping.

Here’s what happened.

Round starts, surprised to see I’m viro, decide to make a silly virus to make the round fun and memorable (WHY IS EVERYONE HONKING), especially after learning it was greenshift, so I call the clown down for his laughter, and make anomalous virus food. While getting my virus ready, I accidentally forgot to set my dropper to one unit instead of 5, and as a result accidentally used all the anomalous virus food. I prayed for more, and the admins gave me some (my guy believes he’s in a simulation with “adminses” controlling everything), thus saying to me I had the go ahead for my joke. (Technically they gave me more laughter for the anomalous virus food recipe but I digress.) So I go ahead and spend a full 30 minutes making my virus.

Finally, it is finished, and I’m super excited, and nervous that I’ll be instantly killed by the Procedurawhl Generated Shitter™ Antags that haunt greenshift as I leave the viro room. I get the expected “what are you doing/why are you doing that/what are you infecting people with” bwoink, and I explain it. No telling me to stop, no warning, nothing. So I keep going. I start noticing people stop having the virus, maybe I didn’t infect them? Maybe they cured it? Even the people with masks or glasses like the RD or CMO would willingly take it then get cured, while I saw them even, which was weird. Eventually I guessed that it was adminery that was curing everyone, but becuase they had literally said nothing about not doing so, I kept infecting everyone, as well as myself.

A lot later, I get a bwoink simply saying, “Are you still infecting people?” as if I had been told to stop. This was the first time I’d been told anything about stopping, but I did stop, and didn’t infect anyone after that, not even myself. I argued for a bit, pointing out my disease was harmless, and that IC my guy thought he was a wizard who was supposed to spread it, got told “nanotrassen doesn’t hire crazy people”, etc etc, and to not do it anymore. So I stopped.

With my whole plan for the round down the drain, I sat at the bar (IC) and went to the forums to complain, when, to my surprise, I learn I’ve been banned.

I didn’t actually believe it, because, again, I was still sitting at the bar, able to move around. When I went to the bans tab, it turns out yes, I was in fact banned.

Additional Information: TL;DR

Did some stuff as viro. No warnings, no “Stop That” bwoinks, no indication that what I was doing was wrong. Just silent ACures (aheal but just cure) and literally nothing else till an “Are you still doing that” bwoink, with no indication that ANY action had been taken besides the ACures earlier. Only reason I knew I was banned was because a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ADMIN told me in the forums. This breaks the #8. Ticket Conduct rule, specifically the “inform the player of why before closing it” part.

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Bloons is a trailmin so he just tells aeder the indie and aeder decides your fate

U know I just thought about this. So if you got banned, does that mean this isn’t allowed at all on MRP? Then why is it in the game? And even if antags had a green light to give everyone a honk disease, why would they waste their time? It really doesn’t make a lot of sense

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exactly, which is a huge part of my problem with the ban. If the ban is upheld it is them essentially saying, “The only thing you can do as non-antag viro is either waste your time making viruses you can’t use, or spend the entire time making heal viruses only and that’s it or else you get banned.”

Edit: Thought that this comment was on my ban thread, this is the admin report, please say that again on the comment thread so I can contribute to talking about the ban appeal as this is not a ban appeal.

Since I’m already looking into the ban appeal I might as well handle the report too.

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Thank you 20 character

Warning: Long Post

Initial exchange.

[2020-04-04 05:15:15.327] PRAY: The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley): DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT I forgot to set the eyedropper to one unity and i wasted all of my anomalous virus food! fuck! oh great admns, by whose hand our simulation lives and dies, grant unto me 10 more units of anomalous virus food that I might make this game a memorable one
[2020-04-04 05:16:00.657] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Bloons3/(NULLPTR)->The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley): what goes into anomalous virus food?
[2020-04-04 05:16:09.942] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley)->Bloons3/(NULLPTR): laughter and virus food
[2020-04-04 05:16:22.604] ADMIN: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) pod-spawned /obj/item/reagent_containers/food/drinks/soda_cans/canned_laughter at Virology (152, 94, 2)

The initial exchange. From the wording of that prayer I could see how TMG might think he had implicit permission to do something with the anomalous virus food, and how Bloons3 might have seen it differently. I’d put this part down to a bit of a misunderstanding.

Adminhelp PM exchange.

[2020-04-04 05:38:25.977] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Bloons3/(NULLPTR)->The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley): what's going on with the monkeys?
[2020-04-04 05:39:02.888] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley)->Bloons3/(NULLPTR): ALL NEUTRAL JOKE VIRUS I WANT to spread. symptoms are poly vitilgo aka random colors, wizarditis, clown, and vrus accel
[2020-04-04 05:40:52.808] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Bloons3/(NULLPTR)->The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley): isn't that going to massively fuck with other people though?
[2020-04-04 05:40:58.432] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley)->Bloons3/(NULLPTR): no
[2020-04-04 05:42:01.018] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aeder1/(Aeder)->Lotion Abuse/(Barry Lotionion): Yes, viro is being dealt with for grief non-antag virus
[2020-04-04 05:42:07.726] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Lotion Abuse/(Barry Lotionion)->Aeder1/(Aeder): ah thanks
[2020-04-04 05:59:07.452] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Bloons3/(NULLPTR)->The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley): are you still spreading your virus?
[2020-04-04 05:59:20.719] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley)->Bloons3/(NULLPTR): yeah you didnt say not to and its harmless
[2020-04-04 06:01:56.717] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Bloons3/(NULLPTR)->The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley): stop spreading your virus.#It does nothing beneficial and causes minor grief to other players
[2020-04-04 06:02:44.414] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley)->Bloons3/(NULLPTR): what? where does it say this is against the rules? It does nothing negative. if the botnaist can make drugs why can I not do this?
[2020-04-04 06:02:57.394] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Bloons3/(NULLPTR)->The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley): because other people consent to the drugs
[2020-04-04 06:03:08.041] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley)->Bloons3/(NULLPTR): others are consenting to this too
[2020-04-04 06:04:09.860] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Bloons3/(NULLPTR)->The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley): NT doesn't hire crazy people
[2020-04-04 06:04:43.599] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley)->Bloons3/(NULLPTR): they hire a clown. they hire a chap. this is MRP, not LRP. plus it's the disease that makes him crazy
[2020-04-04 06:05:55.331] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Bloons3/(NULLPTR)->The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley): NT doesn't hire crazy people, and normal people don't inject themselves with diseases that would turn them crazy
[2020-04-04 06:07:00.727] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley)->Bloons3/(NTP #LL-0729): so then why are those symptoms even in the game? why leave something in the good guys cant use and the bad gys won't? what's the point then?
[2020-04-04 06:08:29.497] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Bloons3/(NTP #LL-0729)->The Maggot Guy/(David Chipley): most people don't want to be sweating space lube or have cockroaches crawl out of their pores

This is the full exchange of PMs after the virus is spreading. Again there can be a bit of confusion here as Bloons never actually told him to stop spreading his virus until the second time he was PMd about it. With the context of ADMINPRIVATE I can see how bloons thought he implied that, but you must remember that TMG doesn’t have access to ADMINPRIVATE and so the last thing he saw was Bloons stopping interrogating him after he said his disease was harmless.

As an addendum, there are a few things I found in the admin log which I’d like to ask @bloons3 about. There may well be explanations for these, and they are unrelated to the case at hand except they occurred in the same round.

Item spawning on station.

[2020-04-04 05:18:07.476] ADMIN: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) spawned /obj/item/clothing/suit/armor/vest/capcarapace at Aft Maintenance (157, 90, 2)
[2020-04-04 05:18:38.653] ADMIN: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) spawned /obj/item/clothing/suit/armor/centcom at Aft Maintenance (158, 90, 2)
[2020-04-04 05:19:29.028] ADMIN: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) pod-spawned /obj/item/clothing/suit/armor/centcom at Research Division (179, 101, 2)

Randomly throwing people.

[2020-04-04 04:55:42.153] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the floor (Engineering (98, 74, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:42.993] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the disposal pipe (Port Quarter Maintenance (98, 78, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:43.980] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the disposal pipe (Port Quarter Maintenance (98, 79, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:44.831] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the wall (Port Quarter Maintenance (96, 83, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:46.088] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the plating (Port Quarter Maintenance (92, 82, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:46.298] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the plating (Port Quarter Maintenance (92, 82, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:46.677] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the plating (Port Quarter Maintenance (87, 82, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:46.696] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the plating (Port Quarter Maintenance (87, 82, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:46.778] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the plating (Port Quarter Maintenance (87, 82, 2))
2020-04-04 04:55:47.313] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the power cable (Port Quarter Maintenance (82, 82, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:47.434] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the power cable (Port Quarter Maintenance (82, 82, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:47.435] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the power cable (Port Quarter Maintenance (82, 82, 2))
[2020-04-04 04:55:48.314] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Cam Vyger at the plating (Port Quarter Maintenance (79, 82, 2))
That person was not only player controlled, but also an antag who had just spent a token.
[2020-04-04 05:08:41.765] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Central Primary Hallway (130, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:41.953] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the window (Bar (131, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:42.197] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (133, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:42.197] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (133, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:42.254] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (133, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:42.366] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (133, 134, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:42.569] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the gambling table (Bar (134, 134, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:42.812] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (135, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:42.950] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (135, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:43.062] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (135, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:43.094] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (135, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:43.233] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (135, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:43.383] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (135, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:43.505] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (135, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:43.602] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (135, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:43.695] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (136, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:43.863] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Bar (139, 135, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:44.605] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (138, 130, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:44.866] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (138, 130, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:45.059] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (138, 128, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:47.694] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (143, 128, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:48.113] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Medbay Central (141, 126, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:48.269] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Medbay Central (141, 126, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:48.892] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (141, 128, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:49.020] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (141, 128, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:49.165] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (141, 128, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:49.340] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (141, 128, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:49.463] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (141, 128, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:49.605] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (141, 128, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:49.746] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (141, 128, 2))
[2020-04-04 05:08:49.910] ADMIN: Build Mode: Bloons3/(NULLPTR) threw Finn Faust at the floor (Starboard Primary Hallway (141, 128, 2))
{I have excluded about 50 identical logs of throwing here. he was tossed from the bar, into the bridge and captain’s office}
[2020-04-04 05:09:05.957] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: TapBacc/(Finn Faust)->Bloons3/(NULLPTR): what the fuck

I have no idea what this is.

Doom slayer armor would’ve been OP/dangerous, so I spawned it in maint to check that the armor I was seeing in the panel was the non-crazy stuff and was “normal”. I picked the green CC armor since it didn’t have any special abilities, other than the minor armor buff.

Zombies were the non-infectious simple mobs.

Cam Vyger:
Asked to be an antag, sent them into maint next to their department, then got their token stuff figured out.
Would’ve been easier to pod them to CC, do the editing stuff there, then pod them back, but shoving them into maint was the easiest solution.

Finn Faust:

On extended, uploaded laws that would’ve been self antag and given AI the ability to kill the station. Instead of banning/noting them for what was a bonehead move, I threw them (while they were an idiot, they didn’t deserve to get banned)
It was easier to get annoyed at them than to properly resolve it, and that was my fault for not handling it properly.

After input from other senior staff, this has been decided to not be a major issue, aside from the Virology ban being issued.

I will remove the note and ban from your account when I am next available so it isn’t on your record.

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