CKEY:The Hat Guy
Your Discord:None
Offender’s CKEY: Zoom9337
Offender’s In-Game Name (if relevant):N/A
Date: (7-22-2022)
Round Number: 39554
Rules Broken (if relevant): “Gross violation of Space Law, was reminded they cannot brainwash a traitor or antagonist under any circumstances.”
Part of Admin/Mentor Conduct Broken (if relevant): A warning for something that your average security/ head role would never know was a rule that can be broken.
Incident Description: A surprise Head of Security round. I already had my pants scared off when there was reports of flashing in the halls and a sec outpost being broken into. A sign of syndicate activity or revolution. By in large, a lot of weight was already placed on me early into the round. Then reports of a attempted break in to the armory was heard and I was terrified. All it took was them getting passed the walls and security’s arms were gone, and I had seen that happen myself. So an immediate manhunt was called. Immediately after they start going after the A.I, and my paranoia was already through the roof. We searched and searched throughout the station from arrivals to I think engineering? After quite a bit of searching, we were able to obtain the prisoner and asked them, “Where is the hardsuit? Where did you put the contraband?” They refused to tell the details due to conveniently forgetting them. I had resorted to flashing torture because come on, if they were trying to break into the armory who knows what they had in store. After a while I said I was going to clip her wings, captain intervened and said “NO CLIPPING” as they were a moth themself. I was going to say to just keep flashing them until they speak up when a brig physician spoke up and said, “How about we just brainwash the information out of them?” Note that this was not my idea at all to brainwash them in the first place, nor did I have any intention of making them my “lapdog” that the moderator was implying I was going to make with them. I had even made a mentions of this on the comms and the captain had no objections to this process. It was when suddenly Zoom came by and asked me if I was following SoP and space law, which I replied that yes I was. Then had noted that I was in fact, not following space law or SoP at all and had warned me about this action. While I did not have time to construct a proper reply as I was dealing with not only sec but command matters as well due to bombings and rioting outside the brig. I would like to say that I did in fact follow space law and had not broken any rules regarding it at all, and it all comes back to what the moderator said. “Is there anything that says brainwashing in the search? No.” And that’s the main issue, absolutely nothing goes against or mentions using brainwashing in any capacity, and in fact is not a law at all that can be broken. I even have proof of this in the space law chart shown in the wiki.
Now, I’m sure someone is going to say, “But you didn’t follow SoP, the other half of space law.” And I’d object to that accusation as well. I bring you the bane of security players alike, the Standard Operating Procedure. I’ve scanned through the SoP system multiple times, trying to remember if I had broken anything even remotely the rules it brings up, and I report that I hadn’t at all broke the rules given out by SoP. Absolutely nothing goes against or outright prohibits the process of brainwashing or torture in any regard. And I had indeed followed basic brig procedures as well in regards the stripping of them as well. And in fact, I’d say it has nothing in regards the basic treatment on the SoP page, but is in fact on the SPACE LAW page. Now, it does include something about prisoners. At this point, the SoP in regards to brigging have been followed, and I’m sure of it. They had already been searched of everything and I had told the warden to note their crimes. The point I’m trying to make is that a FIRM line must be established in regards to punishments. And no, the guide to security does not help in this matter as it only gives very specific circumstances in regards to brigging. It says nothing about interrogation, torture or brainwashing in any regard, nor is it discouraged. I don’t appreciate being told that I had broken Space Law or SoP when there was nothing against the action in the first place, which is why I deeply, deeply plead to the administration and wiki writers to set a firm line on what can and cant be done AT ALL, no exceptions. Or get rid of brainwashing as something that can be researched, make it be VERY illegal so that future seccies alike won’t fall into such a pitfall, I’ll even recount my own experience regards to this. I was blatantly breaking space law by wearing a syndicate combat hardsuit as warden and got warned for it in the process, it was very understandable and specifically stated multiple times on the wiki not to do it. I just think a better outline must be made so that security players don’t get warned/ banned for doing things that they otherwise wouldn’t know until a admin/ moderator TELLS them not to do. And why I feel like I’m not deserving of the note I had received during the round.
TL;DR There should be specific limits on what security can do in the first place in regards to torture/interrogation/ brainwash or else more people are going to be warned for things they wouldn’t know about otherwise, which is why I’m firmly against this note given to me. Thank you for reading.
