I am aware of this report however it may be a couple of days before I can pull logs to deal due to work. Have let the other staff know if this.
So, whilst I understand the argument is getting into “but this is muh job.” direction I’m going to ask a fun question.
Did the captain at any point in the round attempt to get the station’s objective completed? Overseeing the operations of the station is under the purview of the captain, and the captain should be coordinating an effort to see the objective of the station is completed.
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Howdy! I’ve been told to put my side of things into this, I got a ticket about captain randomly dumping lasers into some traitors, simple interrogation from all sides while I look in logs to see what sparked the conflicts (traitors say they didn’t do anything to initiate this, captain says it was self defense). In these logs is appeared the traitors (only evidence of them being syndicate is a contractor baton) they appear to not like the captain being in their presence when they tell them to leave them alone, where captain refuses to back away safely before attempting to dump 12 shots into them, while they were trying to speak with the captain. I wasn’t sure this was the case so I had another admin (Aeder) look through the logs to confirm my suspicion, and they said they agreed.
Another note, the captain did not do anything related to the station objective from what I saw. They were mostly acting as an officer with AA just from their say logs. (I don’t have logs currently so ill hope Aeder/another admin posts them soon. Sorry for the wait!)
This is not relevant to the ban at all.
Actually it’s quite applicable to determining if validhunting is applicable, as it demonstrates that your intention as captain is to do more than just hunt da valid.
In addition context does need to be looked into, as Captain’s sop states “The Captain is not permitted to perform regular Security duty. However, they may still assist Security if they see a crime being committed.” So based on that is a possession charge worth starting to shoot? If they’re not chasing you then I’d say that none of the use of deadly force section of space law applies as there’s no intent, nor apparent hostility.
I’m going to just copy a few little snipits:
Captain SOP: "The Captain is not permitted to perform regular Security duty."
Captain Job Page: " Do not involve yourself when there is somebody else available to do the job. Why have a Head of Security if you’re going to involve yourself in every security matter? If there isn’t a head for a specific department, promote a new one. It will make your life so much easier."
The captain is the head of heads, and is not a member of security. Which would be a reasonable justification in its own right, at least in my mind, to say that Rule 2.3 does not provide an exemption to the captain, although it may provide leniency within reason.
tl;dr: Examining whole conduct as captain establishes if Wilchen is just using cap as HOS with extra access. Captain shouldn’t be gunning down people over possession of contraband. And I’d need to see logs if there is any reasonable explanation to if there was a use of deadly force rule applicable.
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As captain youre expected to at least try to do it (in the meaning of directing the station to complete it), the station objective IS the captain objective
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Antag gives chase after failing to stun the captain.
captain can lethal any antag that has stun weaponry and is using them.
Preferable is a key word so cap propably had no non-lethal detaining items.
No this ban appeal is not about captain failing to achieve station obj which is not bannable so it is immaterial anyway. Also this ban appeal is not about anything else than cap shot the valid who chased them with a contractor baton and possibly other stun or lethal weapons.
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Enemy of the Corporation
To act as, or knowingly aid, an enemy of Nanotrasen.
Current enemies of Nanotrasen currently include: The Syndicate (through secret agents, boarding parties, and brainwashing specialists), The Wizard Federation, The Changeling Hivemind, and The Cult of Nar’Sie.
Note that this is one of the few crimes where you may summarily execute someone for if they present a significant risk to detain them.
Use of Deadly Force
Armed and Dangerous - if a suspect is in possession of weapons, including stun weapons, and you have reasonable suspicion that they will use these against you, lethal force is permitted. Although in the majority of cases it is still preferable to attempt to detain them non-lethally.
Can’t name a single thing Wilchen did wrong in this situation. Contractor failed a kidnapping, ahelped, managed to get their victim banned because they are unrobust.
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Contractor did not try to kidnap them, and the contractor did not ahelp it. Having contraband does not mean EoTC instantly- using it does. Captain lethalled inappropriately, despite little danger being exposed to them.
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I mean, even using the contractor baton isn’t EotC. It’s assault.
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Captain, and some other person, said that contractor actively used the baton to attack the captain?
Can you finally post the logs from that fight?
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Doesnt the contractor baton stam crit in just two hits?
That sounds pretty damn menacing to me.
Contractor did not try to kidnap them
Hindsight is 20/20
But analyzing the situation without considering human factor is just insane.
We all make mistakes.
Here’s the facts
I saw the baton
I was being followed
I had no idea about their intentions
I am not omnipotent
Not knowing the other person’s intentions apart from being followed by two what appeared to me suspected traitors, I did the reasonable thing and prevented myself from being ambushed, having very important station items being stolen and being round removed.
Did the traitors die from the “12 warning shots”?
No.
Did I die after the “12 warning shots”?
No.
So I believe the shots served their purpose quite well.
Will be pulling logs in approx 8 hours when my shift is over.
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Contractor kit is S-class contraband what are you on about lol. It means they’re a traitor.
This isn’t paradise
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Even Paradise lets you kill traitors with dangerous gear but we no longer do?!?!?!?!?!?!???!?!?!!!?!?!?!
You come across each other in the maint tunnels and they spend time talking to each other rather than chasing you.
[2021-11-24 15:05:43.232] SAY: Burrrkeye/(Smoke Vanleer) he's going to shoot us (Central Port Maintenance (136, 195, 2))|
[2021-11-24 15:05:51.054] SAY: UltraNumeron/(Drake Stall) “wanna shoot him first” (Central Port Maintenance (150, 193, 2))
[2021-11-24 15:06:03.687] SAY: UltraNumeron/(Drake Stall) “cap” (Central Port Maintenance (140, 179, 2))
[2021-11-24 15:06:04.070] ATTACK: Wilchen/(Sherrie Williams) has fired at [catwalk] with the laser from Central Port Maintenance (Central Port Maintenance (141, 175, 2))
[2021-11-24 15:06:04.552] ATTACK: Wilchen/(Sherrie Williams) has fired at [plating] with the laser from Central Port Maintenance (Central Port Maintenance (140, 175, 2))
[2021-11-24 15:06:05.142] ATTACK: Wilchen/(Sherrie Williams) has fired at [catwalk] with the laser from Central Port Maintenance (Central Port Maintenance (141, 175, 2))
[2021-11-24 15:06:08.794] ATTACK: Wilchen/(Sherrie Williams) has fired at [catwalk] with the laser from Central Port Maintenance (Central Port Maintenance (141, 175, 2))
This is the first interaction between you three, you firing the first shots.
There are no logs of either of them swinging a contractor baton anywhere near you, hitting pipes, walls or anything at all. It did not happen.
[2021-11-24 15:06:10.604] SAY: UltraNumeron/(Drake Stall) (guardian) “YEP HE CAN BE SHOT” (Central Port Maintenance (137, 179, 2))
[2021-11-24 15:06:24.040] SAY: UltraNumeron/(Drake Stall) (guardian) “SHOOT THE COMDOM” (Central Port Maintenance (129, 178, 2))
Then the chase begins with you firing a large amount more.
There is no mention of any station objectives, delegating any instructions to departments, or basically doing any expected captain duties. There is
[2021-11-24 15:07:28.387] SAY: Wilchen/(Sherrie Williams) “debtor has a holoparasite” (Central Port Maintenance (133, 191, 2))
[2021-11-24 15:07:33.280] SAY: Wilchen/(Sherrie Williams) “do not interfere he's mine” (Central Port Maintenance (131, 195, 2))
Which coupled with “Why are you in maint, guns out, firing lethally first on someone that you saw holding contraband several tiles away?”
Being chased after shooting them is moot.
[2021-11-24 15:05:01.434] SAY: Tomas Hellsing) “we are leaving” (Exploration Shuttle (128, 163, 3))
Looking at the screenshot shows you saw them with a contractor baton in maint. At the time of them doing nothing, it’s not enough to fire a killing amount of shots. If they had chased you prior, done any kind of aggressive action, sure. Done anything to show that they were hostile and not just looted a dead body or found random maint loot, sure.
Does look a lot like dereliction of duty and valid hunting to me.