Remove the stupid Rage-Nerf on atvs

[IsaacN]

The fact It was firing extremely fast was not intended at all, It was the weapon ignoring the obvious cooldown It had in place

[IsaacN]

I might be out of the picture for a while, going on vacation soon

[Szczebrzeszyn]

@FriendlyIsisMember

For context: if you are driving an ATV and decide to hold anything in one of your hands, your character is stunned in one place for 3 seconds, drops the item and is also unbuckled from the ATV.

It sound’s like it was a spite PR. On what basis would you assume that equipping something stuns and throws you out of an ATV or even a bike. It sucks gameplay and realism wise.

Im opening a gofundme to fund a drivers license to the PR owner.

[PerishedFraud]

eXtEmElY fAsT

[Fronsis]

It sorta was, it was the usual bandaid fix to tackle a ‘‘current’’ issue, in this case people shooting weapons on a vehicle and the whole hitbox not working properly (Vehicles are very capable of blowing up btw)

[Ruko]

@Szczebrzeszyn

Im opening a gofundme to fund a drivers license to the PR owner.

Hi.
I’m the PR owner, my job is literally training people to be safe drivers of this type of vehicle:

Checkmate

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@Szczebrzeszyn

It sound’s like it was a spite PR.

It was not and this has been addressed already earlier in the thread.

I’m closing this now because it has served its purpose for discussion, and I’ve stated a clear response to it in great detail because there was never a rage nerf at all. Please read below and feel free to make a new thread that isn’t based on bad information if you’d like this to continue because I’m tired of seeing it parroted that this was a spite or rage nerf when it wasn’t.

@Ruko

To be as clear as possible on my stances here:

Normal wheelchairs can be faster than they currently are, but they should not be as fast as normal movement speed is for other players. If you want to take away the hands requirement, that’s fine since it only needs them for motion rather than control.

Motorized wheelchairs should always be and feel generally better than normal wheelchairs because they take more effort and materials to make.

Any vehicle which moves faster than normal speed should lose control and crash when bumped into anything or anyone.

If the requirement for hands is removed in general (not regarding wheelchairs, but other vehicles), any vehicle should crash when taking damage, instead of just tanking hits like nothing happened until they fall apart. This should extend to the rider taking damage as well.

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@Calicomp

So you’re cool with wheelchair revert?

I’m not okay with a “revert” but you’ll have to bear with me for a bit to understand why:

Wheelchairs themselves weren’t changed, at least not directly - the PR that caused this new behavior was a bugfix.

REQUIRES_HANDS is a vehicle trait that most vehicles have. Skateboards don’t, Wheely Heely’s don’t and motorized wheelchairs don’t. All others do iirc. This is the same PR which barred simplemobs (which don’t have hands) from most vehicles.

I do not think reverting the PR is a good idea, but changing which vehicles require hands is fine. Adjusting vehicle speeds is also fine. But at the end of the day, the PR making wheelchairs require empty hands was just making the flag already on wheelchairs actually do its job - The question shouldn’t be a revert, it should be whether wheelchairs should be using that flag

Anyone can remove the hands requirement for wheelchairs if they want - we have guides for how to set yourself up to begin coding in discord and one on the forums as well. If you have spent time contributing to this thread, you have spent more time doing so than it would take to follow one of those guides. Once you have the coding environment set up, I will hold your hand through making this change as your first PR in the hopes that you gain the power to be the change you want to see.

As for other vehicles - I personally like vehicles being totally unviable for offensive combat so I’m happier with where most vehicles are now (for style rather than offering significant mechanical advantage). If you are motivated by this though and want to make a PR for it so that players are more able to use items while riding/driving, but are easily dismounted when they or the vehicle takes damage, I’ll approve it immediately.

I’m not as much for making vehicles take only one hand as @powerfulbacon suggested because inaccurate guns are still very powerful and the worst offenders will still be especially bad offenders (secway + full riot armor to bypass slowdown, bicycle + any melee weapon), but I won’t block this from being done if other maints are willing to approve it.