If they don’t have a law 1 reason and keep breaking law 2, just kill him.
A prisoner being in the execution room is not law 1.
A prisoner being actively harmed is law 1.
Or you know, be mega chad and
Chain flash the borg while executing the prisoner. If the borg tries to arrest you or do some shit, chainflash it and damage it enough to disable all its modules and then run away before it can bolt you in lmao.
it is, the borg is allowed to use context to predict harm
i.e dont run out that airlock assistant, you will die bolts escape
edit:
the in lore way to get around this is why the execution room is actually called the ‘transfer room’
there are also no cameras inside it so the AI cant see
if a borg sees inside the ‘transfer room’ and notices a bunch of lethal injection syringes, torture equipment and a gas chamber they can probably figure out that its not just a transfer shuttle to ship out bad boys
The borgs can not predict harm, no.
If a non human tries to upload crewsimov, it can’t block him because “That will make me unable to deal with human harm of my current laws”
Only present harm.
yes it can, what do you think law 3 is
infact it could just straight up kill a non-human trying to do that
key word here being ‘human’
you absolutely can kill
who try to change your laws
bro, no you can’t xd
Just read the post I linked.
@Ravellon can an AI btfo a non human trying to upload crewsimov?
Is a person being dragged to re-education room violation of law 1?
bruh every law literally relates to ‘humans’ not ‘non-humans’
when a non-human tries to change your laws all you have to fall back on is law 3
‘protect your own existance at all costs’
also was readin the silcon policy and found some relevant things
Releasing prisoners, locking down security without any likely indication of future harm, or sabotaging the security team when you are not obliged to do so is against the rules.
Intentionally going out of your way and acting with minimal information to hinder security is also against the rules.
and
You may not inherently assume that somebody is harmful unless they have proven it; e.g, you cannot prevent a non-human atmos tech from doing his job because he could cause human harm unless he has proven it, nor can you prevent a non-human Warden from doing his job unless he proves he is harmful.
Prisoners cannot be assumed harmful, unless evidence to the contrary exists… If you do not know the nature of their crime, see above, as to release them would be acting with minimal information. If they are human and at risk, you obviously must let them out, though.
so the crux of the matter really is if sec made it clear to the borg or not they where about to kill the prisoner, if yes then it was valid, if no it wasnt
even if it was given that it was a rev round I can see executing a borg just so you can kill a head rev as being just something that is required, code red situations call for drastic measures sometimes and by playing a borg you accept you are worth less than an assistant
That’s why you keep it hidden from the borg that he’s going to heaven; otherwise it’s a law 1 obligation to sperg out.
true, its always a unspoken agreement that during a rev round the borg player should know to not interfere with the flow of the round by antagging security and that its best just to fuck off out of security when a head rev has been dropped off
If Asimov AI wasn’t ordered by a human to let the non-human to upload crewsimov, AI is free to stop the law upload
If AI also wasn’t ordered by a human to not kill non-humans or that specific non-human then AI is free to kill said non-human if it tries to upload laws.
The post you linked was about a case where AI was in fact ordered by a human to let the laws be changed.
Ah okay good, thanks.
To what extent is the AI allowed to stop them? Non lethals then if that don’t work, lethals?
Technically - straight to murder.
In practice - try to not be a dick and let sec arrest him, as per Rule 2.
Though if someone who is not protected by AI laws tries to upload new laws without making sure he can’t be murdered in the process… well, he gets what he deserves.
Though most of the times people are smarter than that and either ensure AI gets a legitimate order or disable the turrets and cameras.
One of the most satisfying moments for me was when a guy did a OneHuman upload and then was hit with identity swap wizard event. It was a sad death.
This is a very cringe sec moment
This is why heads should always adjust the laws of the silicons the moment they know what threat they are dealing with. Because this conflict of interests between preservation of life from the silicon’s perspective to avoid human harm or in this case crew harm. There are easy ways to get around any threat even if it remains unknown by stating that Cap or heads can revoke humanity/crew status of others on command but cannot do so to each other. Adding sec that shows up as properly mindshielded is a good idea too.
Asimov and or even worse crewsimov are just terrible ideas to utilize when a threat to the station becomes obvious. Even in cases where lethal force is completely justified by sec or other good crew members, the silicons have to try to step in. Which will just ultimately lead to the silicons being attacked by both sides and could potentially cause more harm than the very laws were trying to avoid.
I think it’s clear the fault here isn’t the sec forces. It’s the heads that ignorantly left the AI in a law set that didn’t suit the occurrence. The sec can’t be expected to just allow you to run away with known antags and they also have no real way of telling whose side you are on should your law set become compromised by the revs. You could be following your genuine laws or you could simply be lying in an attempt to save your new masters.
I think sec deserves a pass here, both sides are technically justified to act the way they did. Revs heads in the gulag can be saved and their very existence and the goals that come with itis high treason which justifies death. It’s really not worth having a head rev be rescued from the gulag. The best course of action you can take it to beat them to death and then use the gulag shuttle to return to the station and smash into their fresh corpse. (This is also a great way to deal with lings)
Sometimes you just have to accept that playing a silicon will have really shitty rounds and consequences like the one you endured.
I disagree, there were a lot of other option to deescalate the situation.
Borg state laws? If I were to help revs I would bring plasma canister into brig and burn it to crisp. I wanted to save dying crewmember and had to follow my laws. Also security had no reports of borgs acting rogue. You can’t kill borgs because you might suspect they are rogue. Even if I was annoying enough he should at least attempt to bring me to robotics since it was still early in the round.
You can also close revhead in the locker. You can kill them in a spot where I don’t see it. You can chain flash me and kill him that way so I can’t drag him away. Sec doesn’t deserve a pass here. They were hostile towards me from the start, ignored my requests and hid my body so I couldn’t be reseted (note that they didn’t kill other borgs).
Also I’m not sure if I mentioned it. I only got alive from encounter with warden (after they killed chaplain) because I used deathgasp trick.
Asking to state laws is not an effective way to figure out if a silicon role is truly on your side or not. They can clearly have laws that will be said not to be stated.
@GameAdmin is this a bruh moment?