Llol111 Admin Report

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CKEY: latinococoaking

Offender’s CKEY:loll111

LRP or MRP server: MRP

Offender’s In-Game Name (if relevant): Nick Dorito

Date (MM-DD-YYYY): 11/27/2020

Round Number: 24469

Rules Broken (if relevant):

Part of Admin/Mentor Conduct Broken (if relevant):

Incident Description:

So, this is what started the shit show yesterday. Filing a report against this admin for being very hostile. I start my shift on MRP im yelling over comms for HOP to open up line then a few minutes later im at the lockers getting ready for my mining shift when i get a bwoink.

I don’t really get bwoinked because im not a shitter, sometimes i fuck up and i do it happens to everyone and usually the admin is pretty chill and calm. Not loll111 though!

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Like i said in my appeal you can feel the hostility right off the bat here, immediately just jumping to conclusions and belittling me like i just blew up the SM at roundstart as non antag or something i dont know.

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And here we have said Senior Admin, in the middle of me typing my response issuing the ban. Once again jumping to conclusion. In my response i pointed out that it was addressed previously and determined to be a grandfathered name.

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And here we go, llol111 actually reads the full note on my account, and immediately draws back on the ban. I ask him again, why is this suddenly an issue after me playing on this server for well over a year with the same name, doing the same Nick Dorito antics. And this is his response:

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Is this really someone who’s on your admin team? No Diplomacy, no friendliness, no nothing at all just comes out being extremely hostile, for no reason. Not reading the full note and taking actions into his own hands before even let me RESPOND or consult with other admins.

The entire way this whole entire situation was handled by the admin team is something absolutely needs to be discussed. Not a SINGLE admin pulled me to the side to talk to me about this until about 4 hours deep into this ordeal, Ruko DM’d me on Discord and even he said llolll111 was being hostile. All i did was ask questions and seek clarity and an answer, is that so hard to talk about?

I’m not saying i deserve special treatment in this situation because im known, or im a vet. Admins, especially Senior Admins should be held at high standards in their interactions with ANYONE. Whether it be someone who’s been on the server for 5 years or someone who just started playing yesterday.

Additional Information: Nick Dorito

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What was or was not an issue in the past is irrelevant. No more argueing[sic].

Just going to throw this out there - if you deescalate and are a little apologetic that policy has changed, people will be less upset in the future. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain, especially given that it’s discipline for non-disruptive conduct. The million Nick Dorito posts might have been avoided if you took deescalated, rather than effectively telling him to shut up and deal with it, which would have been less work for you and the other staff.

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closed before the shit show starts. headmins will have a look into it any time soon

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Right, lets adress this.

First, lets list out all the gripes with this situation.

  • Why was issue taken with the name, when it had previously been fine?
  • Whats with the hostility? (+ adressing the misreading, the wrongful ban)
  • Why did i act without letting you explain?
  • Why did i not consult with other admins?

So lets adress these one by one, shall we?

  • Why was issue taken with the name, when it had previously been fine?

In the note by ta it had been ruled as “Grandfatherd in” - meaning it WAS perviously recognised as a non approriate name, but due to the amount of time you’ve had the name there wasnt anything done about it. I disagree with leaving names that violate the “does not raise an eyebrow” just because they’ve been around for a while. They still violate the policy and leaving them around will be used in making new names - afterall, if this person gets to have a silly name, why cant i have one?

  • Whats with the hostility? (+ adressing the misreading, the wrongful ban)

I can take an L on that one. In my mind the previous note by ta had already told him that the name was not okay - thusly seeing it used anyways made a slightly upset, and i ended up not choosing as prefessional words as i perhaps should have been.
This ended in you getting a 2 week appearance ban.
You then, correctly, pointed out that the previous note did not end in instrcution to change the name.
Thusly, i imeadiatly removed the ban, before you even made the ban appeal, but was not able to reign in my annoyance or appologise as i should have for the unjustfied rudeness.

No excuses there, that wasnt verry cool.

For the shebang with the second ban, applied by franc, see the ban appeal thread.

  • Why did i act without letting you explain?

Because my mind is and was made up about your name being non aproriate for MRP. Letting you aregue your case, while it certainly would have been nicer (see the previous point), would not have changed anything. All it would have done is delayed the ticket being resolved. In hindsight, it would have been better to let you argue your heart out, and take the time explain the decision and judgement properly. Again, see the previous poit as to why - it wouldnt have changed anything, but i do have to take the L on being rude instead of professional as i should have been.

  • Why did i not consult with other admins?

First of all, how would you even know if i did or not? I was in a discord call with other admins at the time, and while the issue was by no means discussed at length, there was agreement that indeed nick dorito is not an acceptable name.

I hope this can clear up some of the confusion, and with a little luck dispell part of your upsetness at my actions.

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opened in hope you guys wont start shitposting again

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I understand the ruling. At the end of they day I can’t really sway the decision of everyone and can only go to dead LRP or to another server with Nick Dorito. But Lexen put it best in the other thread:

I’m just not exactly a big fan of getting made an example of.

As for everything else i’m glad you realized where you went wrong. I’m not saying you have to be the upmost professional when bwoinking someone like “Hello sir! May i ask you a question?” like some super blue collar stuff, just the way you approached me and handled my situation was very aggressive and unnecessary. The aggression would be good for the assistant that just broke into hop’s office and killed him and Ian though.

This thread can be closed and the report rescinded i honestly am over this whole situation. At the end of the day I just wanted communication from the admin team and I guess i got that. I’m ready to put this behind us llol111.

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Nick being a better man than most of us could hope to be

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Yeah I didn’t really expect this report to go anywhere after they deleted all of my posts even after you referenced them in a response Nick, sorry bud.

If it’s any consolation, more than one admin has been talking to me in DMs about how much they disagreed with this entire ordeal but have been afraid to say anything.

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is this true? if so then i don’t understand the fear. it seems cowardly and fairly complicit to say nothing about this on the forum where it’s being discussed. especially bc a) the pot has already been stirred, and b) this forum isn’t north korea

not saying that there isn’t visible dissention between the admins, but really. if u care enough to vent about it then you care enough to say something on a public forum

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They didn’t want to publicly disagree with the ruling because they were in the minority, that’s pretty normal tbh

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are u assuming that they’re the minority? (just a question)

also i wouldn’t consider that appropriately normal within context

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Nobody on staff likes stirring drama publicly even if they disagree with something that has occurred, myself included. Anyone on staff that is willing to stir or prolong drama because they disagree likely won’t be staff for much longer.

That said, staff are not just encouraged to voice themselves privately, but we just had a meeting a few days ago to discuss whatever topics were posted. I don’t see any reason for staff to be afraid of speaking their mind behind the door, so to speak.

@Archanial, @bloons3 and I all have spicy debates fairly regularly, and to the best of my knowledge we’ve never been punished for calling something BS or getting frustrated with one another.

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i mean i would rather and admin share a scathing opinion on the forums rather than just Pack up their bags and leave

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As someone who’s been there to see what happened, Hangyul left for other reasons, which aren’t related to this report

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He actually admitted he was wrong and didn’t punish you. And you has told you multiple times the team doesn’t want you having that name. The fact he admitted he was wrong is can be rare with admin’s.