Again, this argument has been addressed multiple times. It sounds similar to an IRL slur, absolutely. But the application is completely different.
EDIT: The most dishearteningly thing is that this topic has likely completely fallen out of actual discussion in the admin channels. The rule has been taken for granted, despite the illogical nature and failings.
IC specism is allowed. So you’re free to tell a felinid to choke on a hairball, call call a Lizard a dirty-fucking-Ashwalker, or beat the shit out of a moth for eating insulated gloves.
What you can’t do is reference words that are racist in OOC (like the n-word) and use them IC.
Yes. You’ve again, accurately surmised the rules as they stand. I’m questioning the logic of those rules. Can you support that logic of the rules as they stand?
EDIT: To summarize my argument: Ligger =/= N****r. Different context. Different meaning.
That ban could really have done with more details - the man deep fried a replaceable item and immediately admitted to it being a metagrudge
Also I have never heard someone use that against moths before now - seems rather blatant to start using it now that it’s been stated that we don’t want direct analogues to real slurs.
Blatant or not, I’ve used it since the beginning. Miggers, Liggers, Ethiggers, Fliggers. It’s all different flavors of the same coffee. The intention, implication, and meaning of the words is entirely different than the word that is (rightfully) banned - so why ban them?
EDIT: I still haven’t heard a legit argument, besides “it sounds similar to a word we’ve blacklisted”. For the sake of my sanity, please give me one.
EDIT 2: If people keep making the same stupid argument, I’ll just quote what I’ve posted already in response.
Because it’s not so different to us, they’re all still slurs and act as a constant reminder of the real-world one with a loaded history of hate behind it. Use different words to express your IC specism that aren’t preloaded with real hate.
There is no more of an explanation than this - you can follow the rule or you can be removed for not following it. How much you disagree with the reasoning is not relevant to the fact it is a current rule.
There is no more of an explanation than this - you can follow the rule or you can be removed for not following it. How much you disagree with the reasoning is not relevant to the fact it is a current rule.
And there it is. The “join or die” argument. The end to all discussion, logic, and reason. We don’t like the thing, regardless of how little sense it makes, so we’ll use a butcher’s cleaver to eliminate the thing. IC specisism is not IRL racism. You’re arguing that it is. I disagree. Do you have an actual argument, or any supporting logic?
EDIT: +1 Internet Bucks if you actually respond to this comment.
I’m not arguing that IC specism is identical to actual hate against actual people or else we wouldn’t allow it at all. I’m arguing that using a real slur loaded with hate as a basis for fake slurs means those are fake slurs are going to draw direct parrallels and invoke those same feelings.
All rules work this way. It doesn’t matter if you disagree with our metacomms rule, you’ll still be banned for breaking it.
As above, so allow. Allow me to quote myself regarding the stupidity of this argument.
The argument against boils down to “it sounds like word we do not allow”. Okay. Fair. However, I would argue that the meaning of a word more applies to its application than ancestry. I am allowed to, over the public comms - and without being boinked, call lizard people a variety of colorful names. But I’m not allowed to say this one, specific word. If I ran around calling characters with a black skin hue “■■■■■■s”, to avoid the word censor, that would certainly be grounds for a ban. That is not the case. I want to continue to utilize a timer-honored IC speciesist name for a species which has been around, essentially, since the inception of that species.
I already addressed the “it sounds similar to another word” issue in my original post. It’s not the same word. It doesn’t have the same intent of the similar word. N____r =/= ■■■■■■. N____r =/= ■■■■■■■ (though, that is a fun one, and I hadn’t heard it before). N_____r is stupid bigotry. Agreed. ■■■■■■ and ■■■■■■■ apply to people playing as a different species. Equally stupid, but allowed by the rules as written, and contributes to the atmosphere of a game where space is primarily human dominated.
For shits and giggles, I’ll address this argument for the fifth or six time this thread. The meaning of a word, and its implication, are more important than it resembling another word. The argument against mine is that it sounds like another word that is blacklisted. That’s it. That’s the sum total of the arguments I’ve heard against my complaint. I can call any species any number of derogatory phrases, but on the off chance that I offend someone because the words I use resemble and IRL slur, I’ll be perma-banned. I stand by my previous proposition. If the goal is to eliminate any chance of offending anyone for any reason, why even bother with a blacklist at all? Let’s have a whitelisted word-wheel of things we’re allowed to say. Or eliminate IC specisism. That would eliminate a large degree of confusion and ambiguity, certainly. The staff are sacrificing the flexibility of allowed IC specisism on the altar of doing their utmost not to be racist, despite the contortion required to do so.
EDIT: I assume my logic has fallen on deaf ears. “We don’t like the thing, so we’ll use a cleaver to get rid of the thing” stands. The fact that the staff don’t see the problem with this is more than a little depressing.
wait seriously?
time to attacks moths for fucking eating
You can call them any number of derogatory words, just make sure you don’t call them anything that resembles an IRL slur, regardless of context or implication - because that might offend someone!
OOC slurs are banned entirely, so words that resemble slurs that are banned are also banned.
OOC, agreed - entirely. IC slurs should be allowed. You are not creating a coherent argument for why words that resemble other words are not allowed, other than “it might offend someone!”.
Social justice has gone too far and is literally resulting in your playerbase getting pissed. What a surprise. Banning the word ligger isn’t preventing any racism or lynchings or whatever you’re hoping to accomplish, it just seems like you’re just trying too hard to “not be racist!!!11 We are all inclusive!!!1” No one that says ligger is racist it’s a meme. Also banning words that end in -igger is ridiculous
A survey of interest: Between the OOC of this round and the last one, literally every single person either didn’t know this rule was a thing, or thought it was dumb.
I ahelped someone who said Lig**r. I was then muted from ahelps. It is likely the person I ahelped did not receive a ban, or did not recieve a ban equivalent to saying n****r.
EDIT:
You have been banned by Bloons3 from Roles: OOC.
Reason: You’re allowed to have an opinion on something. But in game is not the venue for it, and the amount that you’ve been mentioning it is bordering on spam. Cool off for a bit.
This ban is temporary, it will be removed in 3 days. This ban applies to all of our servers. The round ID is 18208.
I sent the link to this thread literally three times. Is that spam? You be the judge.
EDIT 2: It’s almost like someone has to throw a massive shitfit to get an issue noticed. Hm.
He definitely did not spam it. 3 times sounds right, while I wasn’t counting, he definitely only sent it a few times, not even all at once either. He sent it 3 times, at the beginning of the end of the round, in the middle, and at the end. Definitely seems like damage control.
Edit: Grammar
Ban appeal will be up shortly, I’ll link it in this post. Three days is excessive, no?
Link: https://forums.beestation13.com/t/bluescope-banned-by-bloons3/6082
It also might be that doing this is a bad idea.
Three days for linking a forum post in OOC thrice is a bit excessive to be honest. Especially when the reason just says “cool off for a bit”, cool off for 3 days? Like dude come on. It’d be more understandable if it was a link to a post on facebook or something but it’s literally a link to the server’s forums… I literally wouldn’t even have a forum account if it wasn’t for you linking it in OOC.
EDIT: Also noticed that Bloons even admitted that it was merely BORDERING on spam. 3 days ban for bordering on spam? Admittedly not even breaking a rule, just being bordering breaking it? Come on dude.