Immediate harm always takes precedence over future and potential harm.
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Haveyoutriedthe❤button?
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epic tldr moment
someone has to tell me what happened so i can shitpost bout it
because me no read unga
also i read something about borg not giving a fuck about harm??
based???
new council makes free lawset default lawset?
Surgery against someone’s will should be consider harmful. However here in my opinion:
-someone in surgery table is being criminal getting operated, you don’t know what the person did and if it’s not going to attack people after releasing him. As a borg you can allow minimum harm if it might lead to greater harm.
-if surgery against someone’s will, even if it’s a wanted criminal, is considered harm for borgs, then why forceborging criminals is even allowed often?
-borgs are not allowed to pick interpretation by themselves, AI is allowed to, and borgs shall stick to the laws interpretation of AI, unless they are not linked to any AI or AI allows them to or AI is not responding. With any borderline situations borgs should ask Master AI for orders and interpretation.
I believe here borg should have asked AI before taking any action. (if it did, then sorry, I didn’t went thru all the logs posted)
As already stated by Kasual earlier lesser inmediate harm takes priority over major later harm so in this case kate was right in freeing the clown.
By Silicon policy forceborging is considered human harm, if its allowed by an AI its breaking it laws or havent seen it
Im pretty sure kate was the AI in this situation and acting via a shell
clown gets chainsaw arms, gets arrested for reported assault, almost gets his arms replaced with normal ones. A borg releases the cluwne, actively fucks with sec and locks him in permabrig’s bathroom until the server restarted.
please give me a link to the shitpost once you post it
Freeing person who is dangerous is considered harmful too. Even if the priority is there the surgery should have been stopped, and situation should be explained instead of freeing that person completely.
mmmm myes
I remember when Everett got banned for being a metagamer
Honestly this is either that or metafriending but who am i to talk shit about it
Either way, hes council and shie, should know better, at least if my assumptions are correct, i’d say note him or something
I dont think its that big of a deal, even if this happened on mrp
also @Kate_bishop1
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Let me sleep ree
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H-h-holy shit. That exploded quickly. I guess I’ll respond to all 25 new replies.
Understandable.
This is Kate intentionally miswording something to make seem like the roboticist and I were murderers.
The bottom is Ethnius simply brushing her off with stern words. Again, understandable, you needed to get the next round for the triggered folks in OOC.
Eh, I can’t comment on this. I don’t know the relations between Ethnius and Kate.
Well, huh. Personally, I don’t particularly care about the bigger picture, I just want what happened here corrected, and if not corrected, put in a way where I can understand no rules were infracted upon.
The main reason I have a problem with this is once she let the clown out of surgery, fine, let him walk without the arms we were giving him, congratulations, you stopped your idea of HoAmAN HarMO, but once you start helping him escape while he is still on wanted, that is against Silicon Policy.
Reasonable. Like non-lethals, being introduced to a problem that needs to be resolved quickly can be a tad hard if you aren’t the most experienced with them. 
Primarily the following rules:
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Showing respect and patience with admins has proven to make them more lenient. - I was already salting, and was about to just start flaming in ahelp.
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An admins ruling on a issue is final for that round. Do not try to bring it up again. - It happened right at the end and transfer to another round.
Was it non-consensual? Yes. Did Kate have any way of knowing outside of minimal information? No. She heard the clown demand to be borged, and saw him in cuffs. She immediately just assumed it was non-consensual.
Annnd skipping over the rest of the non-con argument and immediate harm argument. Thanks to Kasual for clarifying what harm is and isn’t.
She was an enslaved cyborg.
This quote was such a big brain statement I can’t even understand it.
Regardless, to sum up my current argument, with more information provided by the jolly admemes.
Kate willfully prevented (((harm))) and then proceeded to prevent the arrest of somebody set on, believe it or not, arrest. She then refused a law 2 statement because as we were chasing the clown, we were causing (((harm))) and proceeded to harm me and the roboticist by throwing us. She then perma’ed me for (((harming))) when it was not me, but the roboticist who (((harmed))) the clown.
Here, she’s misunderstanding and picking and choosing rules to her benefit. She is a mentor, she should know better than to pull that shit. You didn’t hear me trying to defend what I did to the mime, because yes, it broke the rules. I get it, Silicon Policy isn’t fun to read, nor follow, but it is still policy. People need to follow the rules, not to have the rules follow them.
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my big brain statement goes beyond this post
i m not talking about the situation from a close up pov, but instead with a lager scope
also wtf… is it a ‘HE’ or a ‘SHE’ this fucks my brain bro…
dud you are the one miswording shit because you are butthurt, from the little you explained to me i tougth you fucking removed the clown hands because they where fucking chainsaws, seeing the level of shitsec on bee i dont doubt it, trowing someone is harmless , even if im a mentor i can misunderstand situations when you act like you know everything and scream LAW 2 instead of telling me what the fuck the clown said.
beep beep law 1 before 2. and i was taking you to scape suttle until you jumped on me the second i opened the door, act like a antag be treated like one.
Since when is jumping on a borg antag behaviour and why does that allow human harm on asimov. I’m confused 
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when did i comit harm :thonk:
Didn’t you leave him behind in a bolted room on a soon to be abandoned station? Or did I misread while skimming through this. Still though, how is jumping on a borg antag behaviour.
Even if you prevented the clown from the immediate harm, he was still wanted. You hindered security, and aided him. You letting him run off was aiding him. Also, to quote,
Chill dude
Also, regarding throwing not being harm:
In the process of preventing or stopping human/crew/relevant lawsets equivalent harm, you yourself may not inflict any amount of human harm, even if it will prevent greater future human harm.
Throwing people does brute. If you’re gonna talk about how something is harm, do include other harm that is stated in the rules.
shrug
Hmm yes random person coming in opening doors while the lights are off while I am butt-naked and stuck in a bathroom.
EDIT: Also, for the love of god, we are at post 100, learn to EDIT kate!
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triying to KILL a borg is, and he has 1.food 2.water 3.a place to sleep
and centcom recovers people after the emergency suttle leaves by lore.
trowing people doesnt do brute unless they hit someone else…
1.food 2.water 3.a place to sleep
The perma bathroom is a two-by-one area with no food, barely what could be considered water, and not much of a place to sleep.
Is that seriously an argument? Lore? What is this, bay? Most lore has already been declared fluff from what I can see.
You threw me into a door, genius.
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