Isy232 job-banned by Piterskiy from Silicon

CKEY: Isy232

Admin’s CKEY: Piterskiy

Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: Both

Which server did the ban happen on? MRP

Ban Type: Silicon

Ban Length: 5 Days

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 2020-06-22

Round ID: 17535

Ban Reason: as a crewsimov borg, stunned and cuffed two cultists, and buckled them to a chair in a depressurized area. one of them died to no pressure since they had no hardsuit, and the other one had hardsuit, but were bleeding to death. this is a global jobban

Appeal Reason: Yes, I fucked up, but it was far too chaotic to expect perfection.

Additional Information:

This incident starts off with a cultist attacking and beheading a scientist. I disabler them down.

Then a janitor cyborg starts killing the cultist, I am CREWSIMOV so I flash the janitor cyborg.

Janitor gets out of flash and keeps beating on the cultist until I flash it multiple more times.

Another cultist comes in and starts attacking. Disabler them down.

This is in evac, so I bucklecuff both cultists to the nearby chairs.

Then someone with a chainsaw in an EVA suit starts beating down the evac windows from space. I disabler them.

Then someone starts beating on the cultists that I had cuffed, so I disabler and cuff them to the chair as well.

Then the window smasher comes back around and starts smacking the windows with their saw again, I then disabler them into submission again and the leave.

Most of this time I kept shooting the cuffed cultists and cult beater with disablers to prevent them from escaping.

Also during the entire encounter neither cultist or the guy hitting on them mentioned anything about a lack of air. They sat there quietly dying the whole time.

I only realized they were dead after all of this was over and I then examined the one in cult robes and realized they had died. This is proven because I kept firing my disabler at the dead or dying cultists to ensure they could not escape the chair.

Then the round ended and I got bwoinked.

I would also like to add that I did not drag anyone into this room, they all entered this room of their own choosing.


I was dealing with 5 different entities posing an immediate threat of harm to each other. The blue lights were on but there was most definitely no sign of breach nor were there any signs the room had been depressurized (missing floor tiles). I assumed the atmos was safe or safe enough because multiple times before I had seen the blue lights on while the area was safe in other rounds as well as the previously mentioned lack of any signs of rapid depressurization and breaches. Then neither of the cultists even mentioned that they were bleeding or that the area lacked any air.

Overall, I think your expecting too much from a single cyborg dealing with 5 different people threatening harm. Especially when neither of the people who were currently dying even mentioned that they were dying. I was overwhelmed and did my best.

I hope it is also clear my intent was very much to prevent all of these people from coming to harm.

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I wasn’t present, but the explanation certainly makes it sound like you were overwhelmed. Did you not notice the lights turn blue, or did the depressurization happen after you left the area?

He assumed it was safe enough because there were no torn out tiles which indicates explosive depressurization and the fact no one mentioned they were dying. Which is plausible, lights being blue does not indicate lethal conditions.

Overall, this seems like “tried his best but failed in the end”

Was janiborg on crewsimov too? If so he deserved to be beaned.

On a side note, I really don’t like players that don’t even try to act with the silicons and their laws in mind. A lot of fault in this story lies with the players that provoked this secborg to try and detain much more people than what was necessary.

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I entered the room in response to a cultist cutting off the scientists head. The lights were blue at the time but I’ve seen blue lights in habitable rooms before. I assumed this was one of such cases as people were also passing through this room without suits in addition to the cultist wearing nothing but their robes.

I didn’t see any signs of depressurization such as missing floor tiles or signs that anything had been sucked around. I also didn’t have a gas analyzer. I could have clicked on the air alarm, but I did not think to do so in the moment.

Janitor borg had laws de-crewing cultists. I was unsynced for whatever reason and was still on CREWSIMOV.

you could clearly see a red flashing air alarm just below you
all i can do is lower your ban to 3 days

I wasn’t looking at the air alarm as previously mentioned. I was busy clicking on the people bucklecuffed to chairs with my disabler and watching space to make sure chainsaw guy didn’t come back or the janiborg.

If I would have seen it I would have acted, but the sprite, even when flashing red, is very easy to miss when not looking for as I forgot about the air alarm with all of the things going on.

3 days is still a lot, seriously, you can’t expect perfection when dealing with 5 perps, some of whom pose an active threat if they were to come back.

I still think the ban should be removed entirely.

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I do not have their locations memorized and there is a lot to look at even without any activity in it. There is also a lot of red visible and the flashing air alarm sprite barely changes at all. The entire room was also in a blue color making any changing colors stand out even less.

Its like maybe 40 pixels out of many thousands on the screen. I shouldn’t be expected to notice it.

If he caused harm through negligence or mal intent then I could see this as reasonable.

However it seems like he caused harm through lack of capability to handle the chaotic situation. Punishing someone for making a mistake due to the limits of one’s ability does not seem reasonable to me.

Being not good enough at the game is not against the rules.

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The cultist cmo gave atleast 10-12 law 2 orders to release him all the while the Borg didn’t respond and kept alternating his disabler fire between the two buckled cultists.

This was over the course of the 2-3 minutes before the shuttle departed and the room was depressurized during this time.

It was either willful ignorance of commands or the Borg didn’t think it was crewsimov

There was a full 2 minute window after the shuttle left where it was just the Borg alternating fire between the two buckled cultists in a depressurized room.

My remembering of the times may be slightly off but the logs can confirm the above

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The cultist cmo gave atleast 10-12 law 2 orders to release him all the while the Borg didn’t respond and kept alternating his disabler fire between the two buckled cultists.

Well I never heard them, perhaps the pressure is to blame in that I couldn’t hear them due to there not being any air for the sound to travel through. I was most definitely looking at their sprites and would have seen any text above their heads.

They didn’t say anything while I was cuffing them or buckling them when I would have definitely heard them.

I may have missed some comm chatter due to looking out for the guy trying to breach the area and the janitor cyborg that wanted to kill the cultists.

There was a full 2 minute window after the shuttle left where it was just the Borg alternating fire between the two buckled cultists in a depressurized room.

From my own recollection I did this for about 30 seconds after the space guy had finally fucked off for the last time. I then finally examined, realized one of the guys was dead and then was bwoinked seconds later and then responded to that.


Again, I did the best I could. There was a lot going on and I tried to follow my laws.

Hi I’m the miner from that round and I think you deserve the ban. You were justifying disobeying orders with shit logic that makes sense for a robot but not for an intelligent cyborg. You can’t act like like a bot when it comes to laws (which you were desperately trying to use to justify yourself), but as a person when it comes to obeying/disobeying orders. That’s utter garbage.

To clarify: this is from the same round but doesn’t have anything to do with the fiasco that got you the ban, though I feel it should still contribute. You used breaching as an excuse to apprehend me and have your way with my belongings when I was hunting down the cult (successfully mind you) and didn’t make breaches in any dangerous areas, and while shuttle was on its way. You directly disobeyed both my orders and security’s orders, and despite my complete compliance to get tested you constantly kept me down using violent means.

Shitty borg. Ban fully deserved and I propose it should be extended.

Here’s a discord screencap from my stand from that round, btw.

I will note though: I don’t think we got that wraith. Otherwise it’s a pretty accurate retelling.

why should he follow antag’s orders? he can just say “law 1 fuck off”, though he had no rights to kill him, yes.

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hi CMO cultist here, the borg consistently ignored law 2 requests and lethalled some people by continuing to disable them even when they couldn’t breathe and fucking destroyed our limbs.

You breached engineering hallway. I saw the floor tiles ripped from the ground. You breached a section of the main hallway. Because of this I arrest you and drag you to security.

I ignore the security person, the reason I arrested you has nothing to do at all with cult or deconversions. I don’t care about space law. You then order your stand to attack me, which it does.

So I back off and disabler you constantly for the next few minutes, this is while the conversation is happening. The security guy starts telling me to stop so I remove your backpack and space it then leave.

I did this to remove your mining tools which you were using to destroy the walls. Since the security person is vouching for you at this point I think it is fine to leave you as long as you do not have mining tools to continue to break walls. I do not play miner, so I have no idea what you were using or even if it was in the backpack, but I was just trying to do my job.

I think I handled this situation as best as I could have without being overly dickish. I was on CREWSIMOV and you had just created an extremely dangerous hazard and showed no signs of stopping.


Also, I never beat any medical doctors or ever used any justification that they were cultists so I should kill them. Besides the pressure and 1 accidental mistake of intent with a stun baton, I do not think I ever harmed anyone.

This part never happened.

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why would he follow antag orders?
because he was crewsimov and as far as i was aware cmo was still crew at the time which supersedes antag status.

the moment he was buckled to the chair he ceased to be a threat and the borg cant use the law 1 excuse to ignore him

Your law 2 requests were never heard, or if they were you only asked me to release you without any reason. At no point did I EVER hear you tell me you were actively dying.

Your limbs were disabled by the disabler, it looks identical to them being destroyed but they will fully recover when you stop taking stamina damage for some time.

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Law 1: You may not injure a Crew Member or, through inaction, allow a to come to harm.

Law 2: You must obey orders given to you by Crew Members, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

If I were to follow your order and release you, you could keep attacking people like you previously did, which would violate law 1. Therefore I completely ignored any law 2 requests to be released.

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breached engineering

No one was in engineering. The station was preparing to evacuate. Despite no display of violence you immediately went for the arrest and wouldn’t listen to reason. Fail 1

Ignore the security person

Fail 2

You then order your stand to attack me

After you disobey the officer, disobey me, and constantly keep me locked down despite both of our urges to fucking stop. Fail 3.

Space backpack

Why? Shits and giggles mate? Fail 4. Furthermore you did not even remove the mining tool. You removed the gear I worked all round for and left the mining tool on the floor several steps away. Amazing.

Handled the situation as best as I could have.

No. You are a liar and are twisting the retelling of the situation in your favor.

Never beat medical doctors, etc etc.

We both saw you beating people down at the shuttle. I have no clue who they were. Maybe the stand actually inspected them. Logs will probably know.

you had them completely disabled and could have brought them to a secure holding area or even into the brig section of the shuttle instead you opted to ignore multiple law 2 requests to release them.

which in turn allowed one cultist to die in a depressurized room.
you can turn on your borg hud to see health aswell so unless you had that off you should have seen the first cultist die in his chair.

when it comes to law 1 immediate harm overrules potential harm. thats in the silicone policy you cannot law 1 hold someone forever because they may pose a threat later