Admin’s CKEY: Rodboward
Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: LRP
Ban Type: Server
Ban Length: 1 week
Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 12/28/2019
Round ID: 10774
Ban Reason: Killed the HoP after going into his office. Tried to valid him after HoP killed Ian who he was using as a shield. Authed by moccha.
Appeal Reason: The reason im apealing is because i belive Im innocent and that i did not break any rules and that 1 week ban is excesive.
Additional Information: From here i will write a wall of text explaining what did i do, what hop did and why do i think i did nothing wrong. (Map is MetaStation)
-Round starts, i shove the clown and then walk arround because i had nothing better to do as i didint roll antagonist, i try to get my present but tree in theatre dosent work so i go to the chapel, see an atmos who climbed the roboticist table leaving his id there, then i shove him and take it (i assumed he was getting borged and didint need it anyways (nobody speaks of this event, afterwards so i assume that he got borged)) then i make my way to eng hallway and see tech storage open i go in take some gloves a multitool and a screwdriver, i leave. At this point i was thinking about going to cap room and getting the spare id, then i go buy a crowbar and im ready to go, i walk down the hallway and i see for the first time the hop closing the door to his office. (here is where everything happend)
-As he closes the door before i could get in behind him i grab my tools and begin to hack the door open, as soon as i use the crowbar to open it he fires a lethal shoot at me with his energy gun, (what i usually do when i play as the mime is that i try to find a 1 by 3 space where i can place a wall that shields me from any range attacks and anyone from getting twoards me but in his office there is no place i could do that) after he fires his gun i run arround his office searching for a safe spot and hide in a corner where ian was on the strapped on the bed 1 tile to my left and then i make a wall 1 tile under me, at this point the hop cant shoot at my direction because he could hit ian, (at this point you could say i was using ian as a shield to not get shot, i was not intending for hop to kill ian, i was just taking the spot where he would’t shoot me and kill me) at this point i grab ian and try to move him downwards but he was buckled down so i get him off his bed, grab him again and move him 1 tile donw, then hop not being albe to shoot from any point he decides to use his flash for the first time, he uses the flash AoE twice and sucessfully blinds me, at this point i couldn’t see anything, (i still have my game with the round open when i got banned so i can see everything that happend) while i was blinded, hop takes grabs ian and takes him away from my grip, and then he begins to shoot at me again with lethals, instead of changing to disabling rounds or just keep flashing me, anyways, after he shoots 1 round to my chest he fires again but i shove him and make him loose the grip of his gun and he shoots ian, killing him dead on the spot. After he shoots 2 more times (missing me) and i throw a soap somewhere in the office and i try to run away, but i run into my own wall that was 1 tile bellow me (i still hadn’t move from that corner) then another round hits me in the chest, at this point he could’ve killed me but stops shooting the people in the line start saying Chat “HOP KILLED IAN.” Chat “Hop killing mime.” “HOP SHOT IAN.” “MIME IS ROGUE BEWARE!!!” at this point i see he dosent have sunglasses and that i can stun him if i use my spray can (quirk tagger) as i run twoards him i slam into the wooden table at this point i hop has put the energy gun in his leather satchel and grabed his telescopic baton and hits me once with it, then i move myself on the ground twoards his open locker and i close it this is when i realize hop killed ian at some point during the fight.(Ian body was 1 tile to the right of the holopad in his office) (at this point he could’ve also locked it locking me inside) Then i equip myself with my spray can and i spray his face stunning him, then i grab his baton and hit him once with it after that i see this is my chacne to take his id and get the All Access so i panick for a little bit not deciding between tabling him or looting him first so i grab my spray can and hit him again to make sure he stays down, then i let go of him and go for his id as i begin to take it i hit him again canceling the first action, and then i sucessfuly take his id, then the chaplain walks in and hits me twice with his hypertool then i run and make a wall 1 tile before the airlock so it closes itself and once my wall is gone nobody else can get into bridge.
-Once i am safe, i begin to heal myself, ocne i finished, i go to the comand console and try to make an annoucnement but realize his id cant make captain announcements, so i go to the id console in bridge and give myself captain access and change my job name to mime, then i make an announcement saying “Hop killed ian btw.” then i walk back to the hop office and throw his id at him, then i make my way to captain room to get some quality stuff (i grab headset, energy gun, caprace, spare id and command door remote, oh and a captain beret) hop says in comms that i broke into his office and that i used ian as a shield, (again let me clear out that i didint inted for hop to kill ian, once he flashed me he grabed ian and i was exposed so i didint have him as a shield, thats when he shoot at ian by accident, but still killed him) then i see someone saying i talked and that i killed ian, so i go and make an announcement saying " 1 i never talked i can prove it with my wall that i still have, 2 hop killed ian by shooting at him with his energy gun when trying to hit me.". after that i go back to bridge to get the axe (i was not thinking about validhunting hop, i was just taking the axe because its a great and one of the best mele weapons you can get without being an antagonist) see that someone says that im valid for speaking in announcement so i go to the command console in bridge and say “Im only valid once i break my bow and speak with my voice.” as soon as the message goes out, i see the hop shooting at me with his energy gun on Lethal mode and shoots at me, he misses the first shot and as i had also an energy gun i decide to shoot at him with mine on Disalbe mode, after getting hit 2 times i manage to score more hits on him and got him down, after this i wait for a few seconds and think to myself, "well, he did kill ian, so he is valid, so there is nothing wrong with me killing him right now, right? " then i begin to axe his neck untill his heads flies off, after this, i take his head and grab his body as fast as i can due to being chased by several other people (not sec) and i take his head to robotics and drop it and point at his head and at the operating table, that way at least he gets to be on the round, then i take his body and cremate it seeing that he wouldn’t need it anyways anymore. some engieneer keeps chasing me so i run my way to bridge to make an announcement and say: “Stop chasing after me as if i were an antagonsit i am not one, i killed the hop because he was valid, i took his head to robotics so he can at least become a borg.”. (from this point on is when i got bwoinked and when i start to speak with the admin about the situation)
-After this the someone says in comms “Cult in cargo!!!” and then i get bwoinked and asked “Why did you decapitate the HoP in his office?” the engieneer who keept chasing me now has both of the energy guns because i sliped and after realizing this actually how important this is i decide to stop resisting and begin to answer the ticket and say “He killed ian” then soeme stuff happens the engi cuffs me and takes me to sec as i get bwoinked again with “You used Ian as a shield from the HoP shooting you for tiding into his office”, then he says “In fact… 20[12:05:47] Guilleco/(Mimo) (Head of Personnel’s Office (98, 134, 2))#has grabbed no key/(Ian) passive grab (NEWHP: 20)” (thats when i moved ian and moved him 1 tile downward) then i replyed with “he started using lethals on me and i had nowhere to hide so then i got into a corner, made a wall and in the other side, i had ian wich was strapped to his bed, then i unbuckled him and moved him away but hop shot him after i moved it” then he says “So you valided the HoP for you using Ian as a shield after you broke into his office?” wich i reply with “yes i grabed ian to move him after i got stuck in the corner, it was also part of hop fault for dealing with the situation with just shooting at my direction with Lethals, he flashed me once and i got stunned, then he coudl’ve done anything but he decided to keep shoting his laser gun” (i have to clarify that if hop saw that he could risk shooting ian and killing him he allways could’ve changed to disabling round with would not hurt ian even if he shoot at him by accident (also he killed ian after he took him away from me so i wasn’t using him as a shield anymore)), then he says “Yeah you were valid for breaking into his office.” (i must say that there is nowhere in the rules that says you are valid for breaking in to bridge, or any head of staff office, Major treaspass wich is a major crime not a capital one) then i said “i didint want to kill the hop, after i broke into his office and anfter he killed ian, i went to get stuff at captain room and then i went to make an announcement saying he killed ian alll of this after i gave his id back, then he came back and shoot at me with lethals again, so as i saw he killed ian and thus was valid, i decided to behead him and take his head to robotics” " his brain is still there or mabye in a borg but he can still be cloned, and as far as i know breaking into high risk places doesent make you valid" " its a MAJOR CRIME" then i went back to see the breaking and entering rules and answered saying " Escalation may ‘speed’ up or outright be skipped to step 3 to 5 IF : Trespassing into areas that are part of Command areas (Bridge, EVA, Teleporter and such. This includes head of staff’s offices) or are isolated from the station (No one goes to viro, let’s be honest)."
(i’d like to make a point here, if you were to say that i also commited the crime of B&E of a Restricted Area and that adding that to the major treaspass were to be combined and be a capital crime then i would appreciate that in the rules it can change the name of that section to just Trespassing and Escalation and not Breaking and Entering/Trespassing and Escalation, because everything that’s stated there is in the case they WALKED IN by their own and not BREAKING IN wich would be VALID, Why is not stated in the rules that if you BREAK IN somewhere in high sec area it makes you VALID when the name of it is BREAKING AND ETERING/TREASPASSING ESCALATION, THERE IS NOWHERE IN THAT PART THAT SAYS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU BREAK IN ONLY TREASPASS)
Then i answered with " he used the flash a few times after he shot at me in the corner and after he killed ina, and it worked, i didint have eye protection and coul’ve easily been killed or restrained afterwards, but he just killed me even tho i never did anything to harm him (5. IF they go completely hostile (Attacking first and non-stop), they use a weapon or come back to your workplace for a 3rd time (or with a weapon such as a baseball bat), you may validly kill them.)" (if he were to crit me and then heal me (step 4) in wich case i can’t tell if he was going to kill me and put me out completly of the round or not, i was not going to let myself get critted because once he started fireing LETHALS at me i assumed he wanted me dead.) then he said “I mean, you did basically cause the death of Ian. Not only that, while he did shoot you in his office. You killed him when he was trying to disable you on the bridge.” (i will not negate that if i hadn’t breaked in to his office, ian wouldn’t have been killed, but at the same time i never intended for him to do so, and he never tried to disable me in the first place, he allways used lethals and when he coulnd’t he flashed me but decided to not kill me nor restrain me letting me get the advantage of moving to his lokcer and do what i did (he did use his baton once on me but given how useless the telescopic baton is i managed to resist and hide in the locker wich he could’ve locked)), then the admin resolved the ticket, so i assumed that everything that happend was okay, and i went on with the round now with cult having halo stage then after nar-sie awokened he PM’d me with “To be fair, what you did made you valid. Also he can use lethals on you in his office. You barged into a high sec area.” and “There was literally zero reason to kill him” wich i answered with “i killed him because he tried to kill me once he attacked me again with lethals as i made an announcement” (so if the hop were to kill me for being valid in this case then after he killed ian i assmued he also were valid, so when i had him dissabled in bridge, i assumed it was okay for me to do what i did) i also said " if breaking into high risk areas just makes you valid instatnly then change the breaking and entering/treapassing escalation rules" and " as far as i know, hop wasn’t following this New Rulings" (i was trying to show he didint follow the treaspass escalation rules but because there is nowhere that states that you are valid once you break in to a high risk area i still assumed i was indeed not Valid.) then he said “He had to way to restrain you, so he was going to crit you and heal you. So that’s valid.” (he had many ways to restrain me and to disable me but he began with lethals and i assumed he was going to kill me so i acted as if he were to do so) and then as the credits had rolled he said " Anyway, week ban. You can appeal on forums.".
-So yeah, here i am appealing, even if this gets rejected i would appreciate if someone could change the Breaking and Entering/Trespassing and Escalation and just add a little line of text saying “if you break in to a high risk area you are valid” or something simmilar, anyways sorry and thank you for you read this wall of text and i hope whoever is reading this can understand what happend.