This is data for the current year. Nearly every day Sage breaks the pop-cap. (The large dip was due to technical issues)
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Yeah i know. I later corrected myself, appreaciated.
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Sad to see Golden go. Tbh i stopped playing there myself for the past couple of months because of lowpop.
I miss old bee with 100+ pop. Splitting to Sage and Golden was a bad idea after all.
Sage has pop cap thou and from what i know the cap will stay the same.
Crossed and Ruko mentioned plans on a second MRP server as an overflow server instead of Golden.
But what about the MRP2 pop?
There is a portion of mrp players refuse to play on golden so we could expect them to play on MRP2 when Sage is full. Yet there would be a fair amount of Golden players that would leave when Golden is no more.
Wont MRP2 suffer the same pop problem as Golden then?
People dont want to play on lowpop > people leave > there is even less pop now > people dont want to play on lowpop.
Merge Sage and Golden and bring old Bee back
TL:DR Pop is what guided the decision to close golden. It was not the the sole issue leading to it’s closure.
It was that there were two very different rulesets/mindsets between the servers and from a staff standpoint there could be issues. While I don’t have examples there’s an obvious risk of MRP Admins being too harsh on Golden, and LRP Admins being too lax on sage.
Additionally, there’s constant issues from a development standpoint since developing for LRP and MRP/Other RP are vastly different. This leads to some very weird development choices between everything.
As for why pop is cited? It was what guided what server is getting shuttered, and was not the driving force on its own.
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What they said. The population wasn’t the sole deciding factor, just part of it. Golden has decidedly failed as a whole, and while MRP2 is likely to also be lowpop, its primary purposes will be giving people who like lowpop a place to chill + acting as an overflow server so folks aren’t straight kicked to the curb when Sage is full.
There is a chance it will never leave lowpop, but that’s fine if it doesn’t. A second MRP server simply existing on lowpop won’t be an active detriment to Sage like Golden currently is. Try not to be too upset at me saying this and think about it objectively: We have two servers with a different vision and goal operating on the same codebase… One is so successful we had to cap the population to prevent too many people from playing at once and the other has been floundering for 18 months now, through various changes. One has the interest of the majority of staff and the other does not.
Golden continuing to exist in a near-death state is weighing down codebase decisions. Improvements to Sage are often resisted when they’re bad for Golden. Likewise when a change comes around that’s great for Golden but bad for Sage it’s going to face resistance. Coding around both at the same time leads to a lot of unnecessary conflict of interest.
Well why not just split the codebase then? That’s been suggested and requested a lot.
That is effectively what we’re doing in a sense: We don’t have the manpower (or willingness) to host two projects at once, so we’re splitting the successful side off from what has become dead weight in the absence of overall staff and player interest. As I’ve said prior, anyone that wants to head up the other side of the split is welcome to try - it’s not something we are interested in managing as a whole anymore.
Take all those ideas and all that energy you may have about what we could have done better and try it yourself. It’s been a year and a half of trying on our end, see that it isn’t so easy firsthand.
You mean focused for like 15 people tops that are this server regulars. Thats not a good idea. I would honestly love to see some MRP vs LRP faction based competition. And i am sure a lot of MRPrs would join in, just like they join on Golden for Clockies vs Bloodies event.
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as a sage player, i love spending time on golden for events and playing with golden players. Nice to see some different places and either way I wanna be there for goldens send off.
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I actually worry of the opposite problem.
Some golden bwoinks are pretty harsh vs sage where roleplay can result in many things. But on golden there’s much less excuse.
I’m going to miss exercising my power to blatantly name someone as valid for annoying half the station.
Somebody stunlocking a person for a few minutes? They’re suddenly wanted for warcrimes. Some dude set up spam bots over the comms and nobody knows who they are? Centcom does and wants them dead.
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Dont worry, after Perished, Viny and Mateusz got deadmined there are no LRP admins per say. Autisme and Velvet are probably the only ones who visit Golden from time to time but the majority of their actions are on MRP, so “golden admins” are not going to be a problem.
But funny enough we get stealthmines from time to time, usually trying to play antag. I remember a while ago Tyranicranger hoped on ( at least i think it was him) , named his assistant character BALD GREYTIDE ( or something like that, in all caps) and tried to terrorize the crew with stealth implant and power fist. He got hunted down and murderized by a gang of angry assistants with spears.
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You’re thinking of someone else, I have most round start antags disabled and pretty much only went on golden for tickets.
Sounds like it’d be pretty funny to watch though.
What’s the funding needed to keep a ss13 server up? Also how do i download the code from beestation? Im thinking of trying to get some money to set up a ss13 server for the golden refugees
TBH I think the main contributing factor to its downfall was that it was given code that only worked for Sage, and failed completely in the face of Golden’s lowpop & inexperienced playerbase; for instance, the Bluespace Miner Rework completely killed the mineral supply most rounds, because Golden was fulla newbies who didn’t wanna play Shaft Miner (on account of the high fatality rate) or NEEDED to play Engineering because there were five bloody people online and one HAD to be an Engineer so they’d have power.
The coders seemed genuinely unaware of Golden existing, and if they WERE aware of it they certainly didn’t know much about its typical state - BS miners were fine being made roundstart IMO, for the simple fact that, if you didn’t build any, there was a HIGH CHANCE that nobody would get minerals.
And now BS Miners require a lot of minerals, meaning there are a good few rounds where nobody gets minerals, because nobody mined the stuff that would’ve been necessary to make mining unnecessary.
It felt like Sage was the golden-child, and Golden just got the scraps.
I have a respect for Golden, frankly, but I don’t like it; I learned SS13 there, learned the engine because I knew that there’d be no consequences to screwing up & causing an explosion. Even now, I pop on sometimes, mostly to ghostrole because those’re not easy to grief.
I owe a lot to Golden, I feel, because I don’t know if there’re many other servers where I could’ve hopped on, tried to set up the Supermatter, blown up Engineering, and been able to just say oops instead of getting Bwoinked. I credit Golden with most of my understanding of general game mechanics, because it was one of the few environments - I think - where fuck-ups were okay.
I’m sad to see it go, and sadder at what led to this.
For a lower end you’re looking at $60 a month. Keep in mind you need special hardware to run SS13 because the process is single-thread.
Multicore processors frequently struggle with old, single-thread programs, though I don’t know the specifics of the issues this presents.
Golden isn’t filled to the brim with newbies, this is just plain wrong, lol.
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What is this “Special hardware” And how can i obtain it?
I’m not terribly familiar with requirements. I just know assorted modern CPUs choke when handling single thread processes.
Even if you have an 8 or 16 core processor, SS13 can only use one of those cores. A CPU that is fantastic by all modern standards can be awful for hosting SS13 because its individual cores are weak and the processor is only good when they work together.
There aren’t doe. TG is quite different from beecode, and there’s no other LRP servers with high pop.
They are still more suited than Sage is.
It’s nothing special for hardware, you just need any CPU with good single-core performance.
The way renting VPSes work is that hosting providers mostly use servers which have an extremely high amount of cores, but pretty poor per-core performance. They’ll also often kick you off for maxing out your CPU which SS13 does, due to your vCPU being shared with other people.
Basically you get what you pay for. Cheap VPSes are excellent for personal servers where you host some websites, not for vidyo games though.
Though you can probably make it work just fine if you have low and inconsistent pop.
Bee uses hetzner, which is purely EU. For US hosts I’d probably recommend OVH who offer a ryzen 5600x for $120 per month (or 3600x for 100), it’s not the absolute best CPU out there but it’s very good. This is if you’re looking at hardware that can sustain something like beestation.
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