CrackRocks banned by RukoFamicom

Ban Appeals Game Appeals
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CKEY: CrackRocks

Admin’s CKEY: rukofamicom

Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one:

Ban Type: Role ban

Ban Length: 1 week

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 02/29/2020

Round ID: 13019

Ban Reason: Chat

You have been banned by RukoFamicom from Roles: Captain, Head of Personnel, Head of Security, Chief Engineer, Research Director, Chief Medical Officer, Warden, Detective, Security Officer, Brig Physician, AI, Cyborg.
Reason: Killing borgs for checking on permabrig, extremely belligerent in ticket claiming the escalation was justified and will not listen to reason.

Appeal Reason:

Borgs were actively attempting to break people out of perma brig, they were not listening to Law 2, and they were blatantly and obviously were metacomming together.
The Janiborg, the Serviceborg and the Lawyer I believe were all meta-communicating together, as those 3 kept bee-lining for each other none stop to try and free each other (even when off the beaten path)

This admin bwoinks me, right in the middle of these 2 borgs breaking a prisoner out, and starts lecturing me about how I shouldn’t hurt the borgs, because god forbid, even though they are completely rogue and running rampant and wild, I am not allowed to as security do that, and that I have to “arrest” the borgs, even though they are committing a capital crime right in front of me and completely ignoring all commands. He then proceeds to tell me meta information that the borgs have their laws hacked in ADMIN chat, and for some reason because of that I am not allowed to kill the borgs.

As I am talking to the ADMIN, the AI uses shutter controls to kill me, and the Admin had absolutely 0 issues with that what so ever, even though the AI was completely human harming at this point, and the setting of those laws that allowed it, and the scenarios that led up to it for some reason don’t bother the admin, but me trying to keep borgs from breaking prisoners out and causing havoc, while human harming and electrocuting doors, for some reason deserves a one week ban across a multitude of jobs, most of which aren’t security.

Why is this admin banning punitively like this?

I have also filed a report against this admins behavior and general lack of sense.

The interaction with this admin caused my round to be completely ruined, when I was just trying to keep order and trying to keep people from running amok on the station

This is what the end of round looked like in sec after borgs finished running rampant and completely unabated, because admin was banning sec.

2535×1392 1.41 MB

Seriously what is this admins problems? He ruined the round for multiple people, and then bans me across a dozen different jobs out of spite?

Additional Information:

Some gems from this admin:
Chat

– Administrator private message –
Admin PM from- RukoFamicom : I’ll spell it out for you in a way I’m not supposed to. YOU ARE NOT CREW TO THE BORGS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW THEIR LAWS.

(if that’s the case, why cant I disable or kill them then especially when they are committing capital crimes and breaking people out of perma, also why are you giving away meta information, I wasn’t even dead at this point I think?)

– Administrator private message –
Admin PM from- RukoFamicom : He’s not letting people out unless he lets someone out, he should follow law 2 yes, but he’s concerned about the wellbeing of crew in perma. Law 1 concern overrides law 2.

He said this sentence to me literally as a borg is dragging a prisoner out of perma and trying to make a run for it.

– Administrator private message –
Admin PM from- RukoFamicom : Disable the borgs and call RD or science. You cannot just kill someone on sight.#Have you even asked for their laws?

Called to RD, the RD did nothing, borgs were committing literal capital crimes right in front of my face and ignoring all human commands.

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As I posed in the disc, since the player has also opted to report me, I’m bowing out of this and letting someone else handle it. Going to answer concerns as I saw fit in the round though.

– Administrator private message –
Admin PM from- RukoFamicom : I’ll spell it out for you in a way I’m not supposed to. YOU ARE NOT CREW TO THE BORGS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW THEIR LAWS.

(if that’s the case, why cant I disable or kill them then especially when they are committing capital crimes and breaking people out of perma, also why are you giving away meta information, I wasn’t even dead at this point I think?)

You made zero attempt to learn the laws, even after I said that. Borgs not valid for death when they are following laws and not causing major concerns yet. You claimed at the time they were breaking prisoners out which hadn’t happened yet and there was no clear sign it was going to happen yet because you opted to respond to the borgs with extreme hostility from the start.

– Administrator private message –
Admin PM from- RukoFamicom : He’s not letting people out unless he lets someone out, he should follow law 2 yes, but he’s concerned about the wellbeing of crew in perma. Law 1 concern overrides law 2.

He said this sentence to me literally as a borg is dragging a prisoner out of perma and trying to make a run for it.

I said this before the above quote to try and hint him into maybe looking into the laws, or having someone in robotics look at the borgs, as part of my “Please don’t just kill them outright over minor issues”

Admin PM from- RukoFamicom : Disable the borgs and call RD or science. You cannot just kill someone on sight.#Have you even asked for their laws?

Called to RD, the RD did nothing, borgs were committing literal capital crimes right in front of my face and ignoring all human commands.

There was no comm to the RD yet when I sent this, unless it was said face-to-face. I admit I didn’t check the say log, only the comms.

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Bruh if a borg ignores ONE order you’re valid to kill it @Ruko if these borgs were ignoring orders and BREAKING PERMA PRISONERS out, which is specifically against silicon policy, you punished the wrong player

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Now see, you’re assuming this player is telling the truth is your first mistake. They aren’t. The borgs never released the prisoners until round end when they were obligated to.

Second, no a borg that disobeys one order is not valid for immediate death - Law one precedes law two. A borg is allowed to break people out of prison if they’re being harmed. Immediate harm must be stopped without consideration of future harm.

Reducing the amount of immediate harm that will occur takes priority over preventing greater future harm.

This is in a council ruling.

Borgs had reason to believe harm was taking place and were attacked for investigating BEFORE breaking them out.

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The service borg just literally bee lined it to perma, completely ignoring law 2, not that this bothered you in the least bit for some reason. The service borg literally walked into perma, and left the doors open so that prisoner could escape. I tried numerous times to flash the borg and remove them from the brig, and they kept coming back and bee-lining it for the prisoner, after the 3rd or so attempt, I opted to kill the borg.

I am pretty sure you sent this message right as the janni borg was dragging a prisoner from perma.

I said this before the above quote to try and hint him into maybe looking into the laws, or having someone in robotics look at the borgs, as part of my “Please don’t just kill them outright over minor issues”

Looking into laws?? Are you serious?? While borgs are not only running amok in the brig, but also, bee-lining it for their dead friends that were hidden out of sight (only way that can happen is with meta comms on discord)

Overall your engagement and interaction lead to my round getting ruined, while 3 people who were blatantly meta comming, were just allowed to run rampant, electrifying every door and ignoring every possible rule. Your decision led the round devolving into utter chaos, and also completely ruined my round when the AI killed me.

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THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE BLATANT FUCKING LIE!!!
PLEASE SOME ONE PULL THE LOGS FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!
Borgs were pulling prisoner out right as I was trying to stop them, this was pretty early round, this admin is blatantly lying please some one pull logs!!!

At some point I even messaged the admin “THE BORGS ARE BREAKING THE PRISONER OUT LITERALLY RIGHT NOW” or something to that affect, I don’t have the log anymore.

Second, no a borg that disobeys one order is not valid for immediate death - Law one precedes law two. A borg is allowed to break people out of prison if they’re being harmed. Immediate harm must be stopped without consideration of future harm.

The borgs did not disobey one order, they disobeyed multiple orders, and resist peaceful ways of removing them from the situation.

This admin is blatantly lying about the series of events, please some one pull the logs here!!!

Borgs had reason to believe harm was taking place and were attacked for investigating BEFORE breaking them out.

This is fundamentally untrue, borgs beelined it to the prisoner while he was still getting arrested, and attempted to break him out. They then continued to break into perma and purposefully leave the doors open so that prisoner could escape. Logs will 100% verify all of this.

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completely ignoring law 2, not that this bothered you in the least bit for some reason.

Because I can see their other laws and know they are checking up on someone being harmed (for reasons stated below). Law 1 takes precedence in this situation. You instead choose to continue being extremely arrogant and continue insisting you’re right even after I’ve gotten so frustrated I broke protocol and told you laws you shouldn’t know to explain it further. And these still didn’t seem to make you understand the borg actions and instead justified your willingness to act on lacking information and bad faith just as you’ve accused me of now

Looking into laws, while borgs are not only running amok in the brig, but also, bee-lining it for their dead friends that were hidden out of sight (only way that can happen is with meta comms on discord)

Suit sensors and AI. We can see the comms they make too, while you see them acting without communicating. I’m not saying this happened for these specific situations, nobody reported metacomming, just assorted shitsec, over-escalation and the other usual stuff.

This is just an explanation for why borgs can appear to be metacomming, and it’s actually a joke to call out sometimes because of their private comms.

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Borg can’t communicate when it’s dead, how do you explain that one? How did janni borg know where to find the dead service borg?

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I mean, the AI can see dead borgs right?

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Because it can communicate while sitting there and being harm batonned slowly to death instead of fighting back like an actual malf borg would.

I mean, the AI can see dead borgs right?

Visually yes, can’t jump to them specifically though, no.

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The borg was stuffed in a hidden locker, that I am pretty sure was out of camera range, and it was stuffed there way after it died… so please lets pull the logs here, cause I think you are just lying now

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Yeah then nevermind

20 cHarACter lIMiT

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I’m not saying this happened for these specific situations, nobody reported metacomming

^^^^
I’m not claiming this happened. I’m explaining HOW it could happen. If you don’t report metacomming I’m not investigating it unless something tips me off.

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I literally did report the metacomming, please check the logs, you ignored and instead lectured me as AI was crushing me to death (this of course once again did not bother you, or how the AI got the laws that allowed it to do that)

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You brought meta-comming up in your ticket as part of the excuse for your actions. Again, accusing borgs/AI of metacoms is treated like a joke due to their private channel. I didn’t take this as a seriously as it sounds like you wanted me to, and I thought you were claiming metacom between the borg and the perma-brig prisoner as well.

as AI was crushing me to death (this of course once again did not bother you, or how the AI got the laws that allowed it to do that)

Actually, yes that does bother me, because no it didn’t have laws that allowed it to do that (in fact it was expressly forbidden by them) There were 26 tickets that round, and again, if something isn’t reported I’m not necessarily going to notice or look into it.

You didn’t mention anything about the AI killing you, you just told me you were dead, it was my fault, I ruined your round, now you’re going to report me. Given the rest of the ticket, and the fact by that point I had been doing six more I didn’t even go to your location I don’t think.

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In my ticket I literally said AI just killed me, thats why my round was ruined.

You know what, forget it man, you’re completely just lost in the sauce, can we get another admin here and some one to check the actual log, cause this guy is just flapping in the wind now.

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Logs will show I’m wrong and messed up if I did and the ban will be removed by another admin. Like I said in the first post, I’m not the one handling the appeal: I won’t approve or deny it because you also opened a report. Vexy’s been hard at work on the logs this whole time, and I’ve directed them here for the specific points that you’ve been making to look them up. I’m not the one handling the logs on this for obvious reasons, I’m just answering to your concerns as best I can while trying hard not to devolve the thread into raw mud-slinging.

Getting all the points you want to make against me out there for Vexy to pull up at the same time is going to get this resolved much faster than if these had been strung out and required logs to be re-opened for every post you’ve made

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[2020-03-01 02:15:33.561] ATTACK: CrackRocks/(Dunder Kunk) has flashed The Maggot Guy/(Kuiper) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Prison Wing (211, 158, 2))
[2020-03-01 02:15:34.798] ATTACK: CrackRocks/(Dunder Kunk) has grabbed The Maggot Guy/(Kuiper) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Prison Wing (211, 158, 2))
[2020-03-01 02:16:06.417] ATTACK: Aaron J. Hughes/(Dominic Smail) has stunned NobodySpecialzz/(Lane Ironmonger) (NEWHP: 100) (Prison Wing (207, 161, 2))
[2020-03-01 02:16:13.424] ATTACK: Aaron J. Hughes/(Dominic Smail) has stripped the handcuffs off NobodySpecialzz/(Lane Ironmonger) (NEWHP: 100) (Prison Wing (207, 161, 2))
[2020-03-01 02:16:13.721] ATTACK: NobodySpecialzz/(Lane Ironmonger) has resisted grab Aaron J. Hughes/(Dominic Smail) (NEWHP: 100) (Prison Wing (207, 162, 2))
[2020-03-01 02:16:16.591] ATTACK: Aaron J. Hughes/(Dominic Smail) has stunned NobodySpecialzz/(Lane Ironmonger) (NEWHP: 100) (Prison Wing (207, 161, 2))
[2020-03-01 02:16:42.690] ATTACK: NobodySpecialzz/(Lane Ironmonger) has thrown the stool (Prison Wing (209, 165, 2))
[2020-03-01 02:16:45.992] ATTACK: NobodySpecialzz/(Lane Ironmonger) has shaken CrackRocks/(Dunder Kunk) (NEWHP: 100) (Prison Wing (205, 166, 2))
[2020-03-01 02:16:47.409] ATTACK: CrackRocks/(Dunder Kunk) has flashed The Maggot Guy/(Kuiper) with the flash (NEWHP: 95) (Prison Wing (208, 164, 2))

Logs from the ADMIN report, clearly show me flashing and dragging the borg out of brig before attempting to escalate, I did this TWICE!

Look at the timestamps here, it’s clear as day that I first tried a peaceful solution to the problem.

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The borg’s first and most important law is to protect the crew from all harm. Hands down that would be the reason for them getting in the way. Did you try to get the borgs to explain about why they kept trying to help them out? Also, just curious, wasn’t this the same round the captain tried to make a deal with a ling to absorb all the other lings?

P.S.
Literally the borgs have their own private chat, how new are you to not know that?

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Literally the borgs have their own private chat, how new are you to not know that?

The borgs communicated information after the borg was dead, and was hidden away from AI view. The other borg beelined to the service borgs body and pulled him out to get him fixed.