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Imagine if botany but no strange seeds 
Why even live…
The only thing left would be deathhugging departures by dumping 3000+ plants near airlock, so people would lag out and space themselves.
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Would kill my interest in the department cause seeing what kind of crazy chems and traits you can get with the power of your strange seed farm is the best part about botany imo.
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No
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Hack vendor
Mutate nettle
Grow plant.
Or just
Mutate lemon
Grow plant
13 e swords or bombs in <5 mins from roundstart.
20 mins and you can have 50 of both.
The additional benefit of the nettles being almost unusable by anyone else if you drop them due to botany gloves.
Alternative dump out bag of lemons on floor. One to set the stack off and you can medium size bomb anywhere like the brig.
Botany is OP as hell and very simple. I’d vote for a nerf / traitor only, as someone who has played a hundred+ hours of botanist (was my first main dept)
If you want to speed run you don’t need to mess around with Gaia and there’s plenty of harmful chems you can make with time and effort, which is how it should be.
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No fun allowed.
-Admins & Coders
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It’s not about no fun allowed, it’s about the fun needing too little time and being very braindead to make. Nerfing nettles and lemons is all that needs to be done and botany will still have its defensive tools without it. They just won’t be broken or stupidly easy to make.
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You are not supposed to use lemon nades deathnettles or other gamer botany stuff if you are nonantag so there should be no problem. People can see what you are growing. Deathnettles were nerfed to the ground already.
If people are complaining about botany being op they havent seen old separated chems.
Also imagine using deathnettles as antag instead of making some funny mix or megakudzu.
I robusted nuckie by throwing hipodermic prickles plant with corgium at him lol.
If people really want to nerf nettles then you could remove it from hacked vendor and make botanists mutate it from weeds like kudzu.
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Just because it used to be even more broken doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t still.
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Just because it was minorly nerfed with a PR that barely passed vote doesn’t mean it still isn’t OP.
ADMIN LOG: Smoke: (Emergency Shuttle (40, 76, 12) (JMP))[ Space drugs Itching Powder Histamine Fluorosulfuric acid Toxin Microcapsules Black Powder Cyanide Neurotoxin Napalm Mute Toxin Phlogiston Coniine Toxin Polonium Mulligan Toxin Plasma ]
Killed the guy in the atmos hardsuit, a xenobio fireproofed Security hardsuit without removing either of them.
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You know what is really OP? Fun.
Why do we really let people have this ‘Fun’. Coders speedmerge it out, please!
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And this guide ignores going real harcore and making plants with a huge combination of traits using DNA thingy.
Even then, so simple a monkey could do it.
again, this is fine. he had all round to do it. xenobio literally needs to touch you once to kill you if we assume they spent time on it. the lategame power was never the problem.
He didn’t spend the entire round making this. He made a TC trade request for specific plant (cherry bomb) and had what he wanted already before I could respond 5 minutes into the round.
He had his bag completely full at 20 minutes and started bombing the station.
Cherry bomb had like 70% blackpowder content and explode like crazy, ofcourse its gonna kill. Like 1/3 of these chems in mix dont even damage you. I really havent played around poison plants for like half a year but as I remember throwing them at hardsuits was almost useless and if they had internal on then smoke was usess too. You can practically achieve the same with just pure cherry bomb because of how good it is.
There’s a reason cherry bomb is so rare. Gatfruit too.
Ah yes, the SS13 approach to balancing extremely broken things: Make them RNG rare
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But is there a reason strange seeds aren’t?
This is only bad design when the rare item is so good it’s worth continuously grinding for until you get it. When it’s a nice surprise to get but not something you explicitly grind for, it’s at a good balance.