Arbalezt banned by francinum

Ban Appeals Game Appeals
1

Title: [CKEY] banned by [Admin’s CKEY]

CKEY: arbalezt

Admin’s CKEY: francinum

Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: both

Which server did the ban happen on? sage

Ban Type: role + server

Ban Length: role: 1 month, server: 1 week

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): Right now, 05/FEB/2021

Round ID: 26785

Ban Reason: “Shot the detective for treason during a cult round for refusing to arrest someone, and forcing the HoS to release a mindshielded prisoner. Shoving your boss doesn’t equate to mutiny.”

Appeal Reason: Justified action on my part for the circumstances of the round.

Additional Information:

The setting:

Delta Station

Cult round

Red Alert

I see an individual, Gukle, lawyer, at the bridge. He is together and going in tow with another player, the barber of the round. They had AA from the HoP and also from the HoP they had mindshields. I spent quite some time at the brig overall and I knew they were not vetted by holy water, it does not matter if they were cult or not, they did not receive holy water so I had no way of knowing at the time.

I talk with them a bit. Then I tell them I have to take them to the brig for holy water. I take out one of my guns on disabler mode and I fire on them, after which they begin running away, which to me further reinforces the idea that they are indeed cult. I manage to get them both down, cuff both but the barber escapes.

I take Gukle to the brig, where I see an explosion happened and there was no chaplain and no tank of holy water, I try to go further north in the brig, then we get notification of radiation. I then take the prisoner and myself to the detective maint. Where by the time the rad storm starts, the detective comes, drunk off his ass by the way, during a red alert, and an unidentified individual. I disable the individual, they had a flash in their possession, and ask the detective to arrest. Det begins questioning me and the individual escapes. Gukle and detective somehow come to an agreement that I should “chill”, detective stunlocks me by pushing and opens the way for Gukle to run.

Captain enters the same maint then, I disable the detective with the baton, then, while captain is watching I execute him with the laser gun, calling it mutiny. At which point the round takes a break for me as I am messaged by francium.

Feel free to post the admin chat.

1 Like
2

This was before cult was even close to being confirmed, you were testing people with holy water for at least 3 minutes before there was a whiff of confirmation of blood cultists. You even arrested a clown because they had minor damage to one arm, and you also gulagged a miner for a relatively minor offense as well.

This isn’t the first time you’ve been a shitter as HoS either

sincerely, a ghost that was observing the whole round

2 Likes
3

By request of Headmin @Caecilius, your security ban is actually permanent.

1 Like
6

@Arbalezt Do you approve of your note history being publicly referenced?

9

False. I heard reports of flashing in arrivals, I go there, clown with no shoes, I go for the disable on him, at which 3 people try to intervene to get the clown out, which they do. I report possible revolution, I get asked to confirm before alarm is raised to blue.

Clown then turns himself in, I mindshield the clown. While I am trying to figure out why the 3 people helped him like that, I see on radio reports of cult activity. I check him and sure enough, he has brute damage to only one of his arms and that’s it. Chap shows up to the brig, I asked him to holy water him and then he reveals himself as cult and the holy water shortly reveals that to be true.

10

Ye, go ahead. I will go ahead and dispute them afterwards.

11

[2021-02-03 02:43:02 | note by -ADMINISTRATOR-]
Major powergaming. Round start on green alert with no verifiable threat got no less than a riot shield, riot shotgun, the antique laser gun, their personal egun, and a full box of lethal shotgun shells. Warned to leave it just to the egun on green.
[2021-01-21 22:18:32 | note by -ADMINISTRATOR-]
Minor warning for moderate shitsec. Detained a tator as detective and decided the best place to keep them was under constant supervision. So they bucklecuffed them to a roller bed and started dragging them around the station using them to set off swarmer traps when needed. Warned that they should follow the COC, and allow security officers to do the detaining of people.

1 Like
12

Major powergaming.

riot shield and riot shotgun were the only powergaming in that one.

Shitsec for detaining as detective? The evidence in that round clearly pointed to that man as traitor, due to the goings on there was nobody of higher authority to check him, I had no way to perma them as perma was uninhabitable. I suppose it might be MINOR shitsec because space law says they should be released if not possible to perma them. But then again, I was doing my job and that’s shitsec.

19

I’ll gladly handle your week ban for now, but it’s on Cae for the job ban portion of this.

I’m waiting on some additional information from them on your past activity as well, since that’s not something I can personally attest to.

I will, however, posit that shooting your own security team is a terrible way to keep them liking you.

1 Like
20

My security teams have been shitters for many rounds now, it is a god damn joke what security is nowadays. Outside of a few who do their job.

1 Like
26

I see that there’s no point in me continuing this as it seems there’s no contest on the server ban portion.

This thread is on hold until Cae arrives to handle the point in contention.

33

There’s some mighty fine popcorn in this thread.

This is why we cannot have nice things I guess.

35

How is this even approaching mutiny? Did they try to overthrow you or demote you? No, they shoved you over and helped a prisoner escape. That is Insubordination + Aiding and abetting their original crime + Escape from Brig modifier. I have watched you play sec repeatedly over the past year, and I’ve noticed some things that you keep doing:

1: Twisting as many crimes as you can to a mutiny charge, thus allowing executions.
2: Massively excessive use of buckshot as a detaining tool.
3: Seeking and expecting hyper-efficiency of the rest of the sec team in round-removing antags.

Every round you played as sec was less fun for your own officers, most of the crew and the antags (but to be honest the antag’s fun isn’t that super important compared to the first two). You need to chill out quite a bit and stop going for as many kills as possible as sec.

36

Unlocking the thread, please keep it on topic.

38

I will start responding to your points in reverse:

3 - I do expect and seek that efficiency, yes. As sec it’s either you get round removed or you round remove them. You are nothing more than a loot pinata for opportunistic antags. I have demoted or otherwise reprimanded people doing their job poorly within the department, but I never enforced or punished people for not being hyper-efficient. I only punish incompetence, and worse still, intentional malice on the side of the antags.

2 - Since I started playing again, and especially after that PG note, when I stopped taking any gear besides what the role starts with and has in locker/room at roundstart, I have not used shotguns as a detaining tool almost at all. The only circumstances in which I did was if that was my last option.

1 - Depending on the severity of their crime, I sometimes decided to take more extreme measure. This depends a lot on the circumstances so outside of concrete examples I cannot go into more detail, but I will go for the situation here:

How is it approaching mutiny, I would like for you to note the “Aiding and abetting their original crime” that you mentioned. At that point in time, I had a suspicion that they were cult, that is an enemy of the corporation. That I was not able to verify due to the detective, on red alert, I will mention again. Now, put yourself in my shoes: Shitters with AA, cult round, not verified by holy water, they instantly run when it comes to being tested by said holy water, chances of them being innocent? Pretty damn low.

As for people not having fun with me as HoS. I’ll come back to answer to that with what I said at first. Get removed or remove others. Outside of that, I do not do anything against people having their fun, AS LONG AS they do not give up security advantages for the lulz, recent examples: Last night, warden gave out laser rifle, full lethal one, +mindshield to a random squid, I think it may have been Gukle. If they give people unwarranted advantages, I am going to take IC actions on it.

4 Likes
39

You could just tell them to follow you instead of immediately disabling. Also if you were getting shot you would run too.

1 Like
41

I did let them know that I will take them for holy water verification at the brig. True I did not kindly ask them to come with and instead I went for the disable.