Alright, I’ll post both here. I tried to do it like that to not fill up the screen.
Summary
Old Dallen9 antag bwoink to show a repeat of behaviour:
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Admin PM from-Sinbues: What would the reasoning be to execute people for trespass?
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PM to-Admins: Only one got executed, for major tresspass. The other one is interrogated due to PDA messages sent to the former and an ID card inside the bag
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Admin PM from-Sinbues: I would argue that sure, if the circumstances warranted their execution afterwards like had they put up a real threat or fight towards you.
PM to-Admins: Chief, this is LRP, also you’re VALID when you do so.
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Admin PM from-Sinbues: You also didn’t exactly kill them when they were inside the armory though, just after the looting of it correct?
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PM to-Admins: Yes, which is fully within the rules. I dont need to MURDER them on the spot. Took them first to search and interrogate
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Admin PM from-Sinbues: And what would your investigation hold that would warrant the death?
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PM to-Admins: Besides the armory break in, illegal weapons and warden gear? Also if you’re found in that area you’re VALID. This is LRP still mind you, not to say they wouldnt offy ou for this on MRP
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Admin PM from-Sinbues: You don’t need to keep reminding me what server I’m on.
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PM to-Admins: I’m sorry, but since you seem to be talking about certain roleplay elements and forgetting the valid aspect I felt I needed to.
Admin PM from-Sinbues: You realize the server still has LRP in the name and it’s rules still hold the spirit of roleplay within them right?
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PM to-Admins: You break into the armory and you steal weapons, you die. You forfeitted your life. Suchj are the rules
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Admin PM from-Sinbues: I would say your purpose would be better suited to strip them and set them free with a demotion to Clown considering they claimed to be Captain with the CE.
PM to-Admins: The CE was a confirmed traitor, chain of command doesn’t work like that. They’re valid like any other crew member for the crime. If you want to make it roleplay, spacelaw states execution for grand trespass
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Admin PM from-Sinbues: I’m not arguing from a roleplay perspective, I’m speaking from the fun for everyone perspective just so you know where I’m trying to pull my knowledge from. You’re not going to be put into trouble for executing someone for grand trespass if you actively caught them there and they put up a fight to prevent their capture, arrest or anything similar to that.
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Admin PM from-Sinbues: It’s obviously cool to get rid of traitors and what not too since it’s your job to root them out with the detective, I’m not against purging them once they’re valid. I only came to bwoink and see where your thoughts are on the grand trespass execution, otherwise I’d outright say you’re in trouble. Only asking questions man.
PM to-Admins: How long have you been staff. And I don’t mean this as an insult. But right now you’re just making up your own ruleset. Grand Trespass means death. Valid means valid. First you ask about the roleplay aspect, I explain it, then you talk about ‘‘fun for everyone’’. Actions have consequences. Oddly enough I chair an admin and I get this bwoink##- CE being EOC#- RD being actual acting cap#- CMO entering ARMORY without permission and or warning#- CMO stocking up on weapons and warden shit#- CMO associating with a known traitor#- Space Law
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Admin PM from-Sinbues: You’re not going to get bwoinked every time someone has a complaint about a happening within the game, it really has nothing to do with the admin in question because I don’t hold much personal relation with them; it would just be that this situation required me to ask some questions to help further my judgement on the matter and you got asked questions; pretty simple.
PM to-Admins: Alright, so we both shared our thoughts. Mind if I ask why the bwoink is still going on. Can we resolve this now?
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Admin PM from-Sinbues: Because you wanted to slip in your sarcastic remark about “how long I’ve been admin” and I wanted to give you a fair answer.
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Summary
Recent bwoink:
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: why did you Attack Sophia Alby?
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PM to-Admins: sophia syringe gunned some naked guy and tried to cuff him, they were fighting a bit before but the naked guy seems chill, cringe syringe gun and cuff makes people paranoid
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PM to-Admins: it was going down 1 tile from me and I'm not waiting on getting syringe gunned myself
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: but sophia was attacked by that guy
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PM to-Admins: I didn’t see that going down, I see sophia and him fighting suddenly and sophia syringe guns him instead of dipping away or whatever
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz : they overescalated with sophia and you decided to step in, why?
(I think I missed this one when snipping all the other stuff out of it, not that it matters much because it just gets repeated over and over anyway, but just to be transparent)
PM to-Admins: Oh ok, I’m sorry I was supposed to be aware what happened before and that he overescalated. I’ll try to do a full log investigation next time some one is shooting people with syringe guns and cuffing them bruh
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: or maybe don’t attack the defender? it sounds nice eh?
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PM to-Admins: Perhaps, but if you shoot people with syringe guns and try to cuff them that is extremely sus is all I’m saying. But alright. Bruh moment though, it takes a jannie to call for help to get a jannie on LRP. It do be like that
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: dude, you attacked the defender here. They were attacked lethally first and you helped a person to kill them only because you saw a syringe
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PM to-Admins: They were in crit last I saw. But what I saw is them having a small fight, then sophia syringe gunning a dude. You’re speaking like I’m somehow supposed to have known everything that went on down between them, which is impossible for me.
Syringe guns are hella fucking sus, especially if some lawyer is running around with that and syringes filled with god knows what and uses it.
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: okay and you are speaking like you are allowedto kill people because you see them using syringes. Dude, they were fighting and it would be okay, but you decided to join
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: Sophia was attacked and responded with a single syringe, yet you decided to support the attacker.
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PM to-Admins: I didn’t kill him though. I get where you’re coming from but this is highly selective enforcement because we both know who made the ahelp.
If you’re gonna shoot syringes at people and cuff them that makes you extremely suspicious.
I would say that a melee attack that you can walk away from is a far lesser threat than a syringe gun. Since that shit is a 1 hit kill.
Once again, you make this claim like I should’ve known who started the altercation while I didn’t and couldn’t haven. I don’t have logs to pull like you do
PM to-Admins: Had he continued I probably would've supported Sophia, but the syringe gun + cuff made it seem hella antaggy and I'm not standing 1 tile away from that waiting to get shot too. I didn't kill sophia though, me and another guy punched him into crit, would've probably healed him but he was gone when I came back
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: so if you didn’t and couldn’t have, why did you attack? you didn’t know who attacked first yet you decided to attack one side
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PM to-Admins: I already explained that, why are we repeating ourselves over and over. Why do admins only come on LRP when an admin makes an ahelp. Bruh
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: but you did intervene in a fight that wasn’t clear for you, why?
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: an admin makes a ahelp?
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PM to-Admins: Sophia Alby
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: I came here to play on LRP
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: you just told me they are an admin
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PM to-Admins: Oh fair enough then, it was the Sophia Alby LRP experience in the past henk. Anyway I did already explain to you why, do you want me to just copy paste over and over. I’m not sure what you want to hear
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: it is not against rules to help a person, but you helped an agressor to crit a person
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PM to-Admins: I'm not trying to be some rules lawyer but I'm unsure what rule it is that says you cannot intervene when some one is being shot with a syringe gun and being cuffed. Again I wasn't aware of EVERYTHING that happened before that, I can hardly ever know that in any situation. ##Well yea, the person shot him with a syringe gun loaded with crap and was cuffing him. I didn't have any tools to stun him and it's silly to take the risk of not at least soft critting them so they can syringe gun you too
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: so why do you intervene if you aren’t sure?
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PM to-Admins: Why are you intentionally ignoring my explanation?
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: I don’t, but it doesn’t really matter because you decided to intervene even though you had no idea who is the agressor
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: okay you had because sophia shot a syringe, yet it doesn’t give you a pass to attack them
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PM to-Admins: I’ve explained several times to the point of repeating myself over and over, and you doing so as well. Copy paste I guess? ##PM to-Admins: sophia syringe gunned some naked guy and tried to cuff him, they were fighting a bit before but the naked guy seems chill, cringe syringe gun and cuff makes people paranoid
PM to-Admins: So if people syringe gun others in the hallways you’re not allowed to intervene and must do a full investigation to find out what happened before acting?
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: okay you did attack Sophia based on your current information, i get it, yet you had no full information about that fight and you acted
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: but you decided to go full and crit them because you saw a syringe
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PM to-Admins: But I just explained to you, if Sophia didn’t syringe gun him and then cuff him I wouldn’t have acted, or perhaps even aided Sophia if it’d become clear that he tried to crit him for no raisin. But syringe gunning seems heavy overescalation and generally means a death warrent for who’s hit and who follows
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: but you were a bystander, not an actual participant
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: you saw some part of the fight and decided to crit a person becayse why not
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PM to-Admins: You could say that for any situation. If I see some one eswording some one else in the hallway, do I need to do a full investigation and be passive until I’m sure they didn’t get that from a traitor and were just protecting themselves?
I don’t have logs and super vision. I decided to crit because he syringe gunned a dude and seemingly tried to kidnap him. I’m not waiting to be next. Also I had no methods to stun him unfortunately cause I didn’t muh powergame this round
PM to-Admins: Not being a participant also sounds incredibly vague for LRP standards.
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: but you don’t really understand that you killing ‘valids’ is your choice, and if you keep doing this without proper intel you will be boinked
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PM to-Admins: I didn’t kill him though, I critted him. It’s not a weird response if you publicly SYRINGE GUN some one and CUFF them.
If I’d be doing that shit I wouldn’t be suprised if some one would try to attack or shove me, your posing an immediate threat to the others around you especiall because the situation is vague
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: but you attacked them while they were middle of being attacked by someone else
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PM to-Admins: I don't respond to muh comms ''HE'S VALID'' shit because I know that's not allowed, but if you do that shit in front of me you're a threat and the situation changes. Nonetheless I didn't intend to kill him, neither did I kill him. I put him in crit so he couldn't shoot.##I attacked him when he was in the middle of cuffing the dude he syringed
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: but can’t you really see that attacking person which is middle of a fight is a little over for you?
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: like really Owen, you had no fucking idea what happened before yet you decided to attack them
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PM to-Admins: That is generally ANY situation, I dont have x-ray vision mutation roundstart and I don't have access to jannie logs. If you act antagonistic you generally get treated like one. If you syringe gun people and cuff them, you might get your ass kicked a bit by others who witness it, especially when context is missing.
PM to-Admins: I think that's an answer to your sentence cause it seemed a bit codespeak no offence
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: no, if you want to validhunt then it is your choice, but since they were a proper antag i am gonna let slip this through
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PM to-Admins: Not gonna lie this is hilarious, because this is what Dallen9 does every fucking time
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: but you shouldn’t attack people based on what you see, and you should know that better than me
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PM to-Admins: He's an antag and attacks people, breaks into armory or whatever, gets his ass beat and then pings admins
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: think about this as hilarious, not gonna stop ya, but you aren’t an antag and yet you attacked them base don one syringe shot
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: one syringe given you did not see the entire escalation shouldnt bother you
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: chief
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Admin PM from-Mat05usz: if you wanna intervene, pick your targets wiser, otherwise you will be banned. resolving
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