I think it’s worth mentioning he only has like 40 hours and has only been playing a month and this is his only ban or note ever
Edit: Holy Shit
I want you to remember that I fully agree to be banned forever, permanently, If I ever made, touched or used a max cap bomb before this one.
I really do.
I am really a new player (well was 3 weeks ago, as I said, I played more on other servers since then and now I know WAY more. I know maxcapping ANYTHING is bad. I didn’t have a oppertunity to learn, as I was banned after asking questions.
I also fully consent and WISH that my admin talk with whyiscaeciliustaken is fully posted here. I also consent for the entire round log, as the situation is so obvious.
Thanks !
I just read your wiki (a lot) and follow the rules there and that is not mentioned, I had a panic moment fueld by not knowing anything, I now know.
To bad I never got that answer or info from your ingame admins, even after asking specifically that.
Why was he arresting me?
I did exactly what was written in the guide to toxins and guide to science and the server rules and the ingame rules (Naontrensen law). When I asked questions I was banned. I received about 5 words of feedback before I banned and 0 of them where answering my questions, including the question: “What did I do wrong”.
OK: I know now that I was being arrest, but how is a NEWB (who read all the above mentioned material and really tried) supposed to know that getting shot in the face means being arrested, especially when there was no valid reason at all to be arrested.
This thread reeks of malicious agenda.
Thread title frames it like you got banned for asking a question when the ban reason clearly states you were banned for blowing up the bomb.
You claim to be a new player multiple times, but your account is more than a decade old and you have play records going back at least seven years from other servers.
Every argument you make is feasible for an actual new or very inexperienced player, but I have zero reason to believe you actually fit that bill after doing research; other servers have notes on you dating as far back as 2013. The way you conduct this thread combined with a years long play record raises all kinds of red flags.
Proof of account age:
Alright, full log dive done:
Say logs leading up to Security barging in for the arrest, definitely some shitsec on the part of Wirpy here at first glance, but there was also a felinid virus going around the station this round; the one that is only cured by death. Most importantly, there are no metacomms or admins involved in this interaction, and the AI likely did not know it was actually a maxcap
[2020-08-15 10:46:22.983] SAY: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) “felinids arent crew so its fine” (Cargo Bay (166, 170, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:47:00.820] SAY: Svej_ak/(CAT News) “this fellind made a maxcap” (AI Chamber (33, 138, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:47:01.527] SAY: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) “People better fix themselves” (Recreational Holodeck (223, 105, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:47:07.401] SAY: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) “KILL IT” (Recreational Holodeck (224, 101, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:47:10.180] SAY: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) “IF IT HAS A MAXCAP” (Recreational Holodeck (223, 101, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:47:13.649] SAY: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) “YOU KILL THAT SON OF A BITCH” (Recreational Holodeck (223, 101, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:47:16.739] SAY: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) “WHERE IS HE” (Recreational Holodeck (223, 101, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:47:20.514] SAY: Svej_ak/(CAT News) “Toxins” (AI Chamber (33, 138, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:47:27.380] SAY: Svej_ak/(CAT News) “He is bolted and electrified in” (AI Chamber (33, 138, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:47:38.805] SAY: Svej_ak/(CAT News) “I can't do anything at this point” (AI Chamber (33, 138, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:47:55.941] SAY: Svej_ak/(CAT News) “try sending a signal?” (AI Chamber (33, 138, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:08.740] SAY: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) “it is lorde” (Research Division (123, 86, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:11.451] SAY: Svej_ak/(CAT News) “Max cap in locker” (AI Chamber (33, 138, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:12.730] SAY: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) “it it*” (Research Division (124, 87, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:14.741] SAY: Svej_ak/(CAT News) “yes” (AI Chamber (33, 138, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:17.718] SAY: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) “aight” (Research Division (124, 87, 2))
Attack logs between Sec officer and Thtb, showing nothing but disabler fire was used
[2020-08-15 10:48:21.128] ATTACK: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) has fired at Thtb/(Lorde Jesse) with the disabler beam from Research Division (NEWHP: 39) (Research Division (123, 85, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:21.207] ATTACK: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) has shot Thtb/(Lorde Jesse) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 39) (Research Division (123, 85, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:21.648] ATTACK: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) has fired at Thtb/(Lorde Jesse) with the disabler beam from Research Division (NEWHP: 39) (Research Division (123, 85, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:21.710] ATTACK: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) has shot Thtb/(Lorde Jesse) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 39) (Research Division (123, 85, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:22.202] ATTACK: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) has fired at Thtb/(Lorde Jesse) with the disabler beam from Research Division (NEWHP: 39) (Research Division (123, 85, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:24.442] ATTACK: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Research Division (Research Division (122, 85, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:26.647] ATTACK: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Toxins Mixing Lab (Toxins Mixing Lab (124, 82, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:27.097] ATTACK: Wirpy/(Wictor Fjotolf) has fired at Thtb/(Lorde Jesse) with the disabler beam from Toxins Mixing Lab (NEWHP: 39) (Toxins Mixing Lab (124, 82, 2))
[2020-08-15 10:48:27.154] GAME: Bomb valve opened in Toxins Mixing Lab (122, 82, 2)
[2020-08-15 10:48:27.471] GAME: Explosion with size (6, 12, 24, 0) in (Toxins Mixing Lab (122, 82, 2))
Full ticket with the handling admin, Cae. Duplicated this into a more readable format on top of full actual logged conversation, nothing particularly unusual here
- Cae]: Ahem?
- Thtb]: Some guy shot me 5 times I blew myself up in self defence. here is the full log from 10 sec ago:
- Thtb]: < Logspam showing they were shot with disabler fire >
- Cae]: How is maxcapping science self defence when you’re jsut getting arrested by sec
- Thtb]: First off, was that a max cap? I was working on it all shift as you could see and this was litteraly my 5th try oln the way to toxins test, so thats nice.
- Cae]: He's security and was arresting you for having a maxcap. You should literally never use a maxcap unless not doing so would result in mass death to everyone on the station. Maxcapping a cult base summoning? Fair. Maxcapping a nukeops shuttle? Fair. Maxcapping science because you were being arrested? Absolutely not fair.
- Thtb]: Okay, sorry. ##Look the wiki doesn't say anything of max caps being forbidden, infact it gives a guide how to make them. Security didn't speak to me at all, even once, how should I know if there isn't even a try at all.##Is it map based? When am I allowed to do science without being suprised murdered? When is "getting shot for no reason" with reason and when would I ever be allowed to panic at all when getting shot at or should I just not react to avoid a shitstorm from the RDMer f1ing like a madmen?##Imo Wictor Fjotolf caused a IC issue by shoting around without saying a single word, but of course I shall take your judgement as I take the laser beams in futur, if that is your call.##I don't know what to do, what would you have done in that situation?
- Thtb]: And I am sorry, but I had that max cap for 10 seconds when he ran in, I would have spaced it into toxins test like the LAST 4 bombs, too and used it for science. ##You might think this is a fucking long-con where I make 4 shity bombs and get realitically slightly better with each one, just to fool you or something, but its really not the case. ##Take my by the hand and show me how to play next round, please.
- Cae]: He was arresting you. He was a security officer. Disabler beams do not do damage to you, they only stun.
- Thtb]: Is… is getting shot in the face by laser beams and energy guns… arresting? Is there any… any part where he tells you?
- Cae]: < Applies ban >
[2020-08-15 10:48:47.184] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate)->Thtb/(Lorde Jesse): Ahem?
[2020-08-15 10:49:10.725] ADMIN: WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate) checked the individual player panel for Thtb/(Lorde Jesse).
[2020-08-15 10:49:34.047] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Thtb/(Lorde Jesse)->WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate): Some guy shot me 5 times I blew myself up in self defence. here is the full log from 10 sec ago:
[2020-08-15 10:49:40.320] ADMIN: WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate) checked the individual player panel for Thtb/(Lorde Jesse).
[2020-08-15 10:49:45.871] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Thtb/(Lorde Jesse)->WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate): orde Jesse coughs!###Lorde Jesse sneezes.###Wictor Fjotolf fires the energy gun!###Your armor softens the blow!#You're hit by a disabler beam in the chest!###Wictor Fjotolf fires the energy gun!###Your armor softens the blow!#You're hit by a disabler beam in the left leg!###Wictor Fjotolf fires the energy gun!###The portable air pump is hit by a disabler beam!###[Science] Anjelica Chaykovsky yells, "MIAOW!!"#[Science] Lorde Jesse exclaims, "MIAOW!"#Lorde Jesse exclaims, "MIAOW!"#Lorde Jesse licks their hand.###[Common] Dirk Pennington says, "YES."###[Common] Catterson Reeylon exclaims, "Mwwww!"###[Common] Jon Dear says, "Meow!~."###The plasma canister is hit by a disabler beam!#Wictor Fjotolf fires the energy gun!#x2##[Common] Dirk Pennington exclaims, "PLASMAMAN MUTATION TOXINS!"###BANG#Your ears start to ring!#Your ears start to ring!#Your ears start to ring!#Your ears start to ri
[2020-08-15 10:50:01.001] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate)->Thtb/(Lorde Jesse): How is maxcapping science self defence when you’re jsut getting arrested by sec
[2020-08-15 10:50:44.583] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Thtb/(Lorde Jesse)->WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate): First off, was that a max cap? I was working on it all shift as you could see and this was litteraly my 5th try oln the way to toxins test, so thats nice.
[2020-08-15 10:52:21.562] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate)->Thtb/(Lorde Jesse): He's security and was arresting you for having a maxcap. You should literally never use a maxcap unless not doing so would result in mass death to everyone on the station. Maxcapping a cult base summoning? Fair. Maxcapping a nukeops shuttle? Fair. Maxcapping science because you were being arrested? Absolutely not fair.
[2020-08-15 10:55:21.401] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Thtb/(Lorde Jesse)->WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate): Okay, sorry. ##Look the wiki doesn't say anything of max caps being forbidden, infact it gives a guide how to make them. Security didn't speak to me at all, even once, how should I know if there isn't even a try at all.##Is it map based? When am I allowed to do science without being suprised murdered? When is "getting shot for no reason" with reason and when would I ever be allowed to panic at all when getting shot at or should I just not react to avoid a shitstorm from the RDMer f1ing like a madmen?##Imo Wictor Fjotolf caused a IC issue by shoting around without saying a single word, but of course I shall take your judgement as I take the laser beams in futur, if that is your call.##I don't know what to do, what would you have done in that situation?
[2020-08-15 10:57:06.352] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Thtb/(Lorde Jesse)->WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate): And I am sorry, but I had that max cap for 10 seconds when he ran in, I would have spaced it into toxins test like the LAST 4 bombs, too and used it for science. ##You might think this is a fucking long-con where I make 4 shity bombs and get realitically slightly better with each one, just to fool you or something, but its really not the case. ##Take my by the hand and show me how to play next round, please.
[2020-08-15 10:59:22.248] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate)->Thtb/(Lorde Jesse): He was arresting you. He was a security officer. Disabler beams do not do damage to you, they only stun.
[2020-08-15 11:00:19.676] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Thtb/(Lorde Jesse)->WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate): Is… is getting shot in the face by laser beams and energy guns… arresting? Is there any… any part where he tells you?
[2020-08-15 11:01:12.437] ADMIN: WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate) checked the individual player panel for Thtb/(Lorde Jesse).
[2020-08-15 11:02:00.887] ADMINPRIVATE: WhyisCaeciliusTaken/(Cindy Kate) has created a global temporary 2 weeks server ban for Thtb. Reason: Maxcapped science because he was being arrested. Doesn’t seem to understand the concept of stunning weapons or appropriate levels of force.
Finally, while Svej_ak is a pretty good player, Wirpy is definitely not in good standing with admins at all, and there is no reason to suspect there was admin bias involved in this. Wirpy was permanently banned three days after this incident took place.
And to drive one final nail in the coffin of this report - You not just an old player; you’re an extremely experienced player and have been for years. Trying to claim “but the rules don’t say I can’t maxcap” has no weight with your experience and bans considered. You even detail a trick to using science bombs against security as a part of a massive post explaining several tips and tricks for tgcode you’ve picked up over literal hundreds of hours of play.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SS13/comments/2u1ou1/tips_and_tricks_tgcode/
Due to the extreme level of rule lawyering you tried to use to excuse maxcapping the station and the dishonesty shown in this thread, I’m re-instating your ban as a permanent one. You and your shenanigans are not welcome here
Was forced to delete their account due to spamming on the forums, but undeleted all of their posts in this thread for posterity.
Exactly as I called in the top of my first post before calling them on their BS with hard proof…
they took off to complain to others about how bad Bee is because we won’t tolerate someone who is obviously here to grief, not just the server but us as staff.