Zeskorion Admin Report by Lourendril

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In-game misconduct:

Title:Zeskorion Admin Report

CKEY:Lourendril

Your Discord:Lourendril

Offender’s CKEY:Zeskorion

LRP or MRP server:MRP

Offender’s In-Game Name (if relevant):

Date (MM-DD-YYYY):24/02/2020

Round Number:12857

Rules Broken (if relevant):

Part of Admin Conduct Broken (if relevant):

Incident Description: During round 12856 that was first forced extended round there was free golem spawners. About 1:20'ish minute in the game, one of the golem self antagged and gave golem AI grief laws. Station declared war on the golems. War happened. Server crashed. Nobody was banned for that.

Now, the server crushed and there happens to be another free golem spawner, on another extended round. And then round start Zeskorion decided to eliminate golem disk, forcefully preventing the golems from making any more golems that obviously led to preventing any ghost to re-entering the round, the golems to respawn as new one if killed and preventing golems from achieving any good long-term goal, as top 4 golems is simply not enough manpower.
In short, golems is kill.

I ahelped, asking and looking for a reason in this decision. The answer I received was more or less that for his forced extended round the round was " derailed due to free golems". For me, it’s nothing more than saying in different words that the " Muh extended round didn’t went the way i wanted to". Weren’t players supposed to create something by themselves during the extended? It was crew choice to go to war due to one golem self-antagging. For that statement, the answer was ready too, now in direct quoting of the former and latter answers.

“All it’s prevents is growing golems in a large number. 2 last rounds were derailed because of free golems”
" more people make antagging more likely. This is what happens when golems mass produce shells"
After getting. the second answer, the ticket was closed
Maybe because you don’t want to people do something else on extended round it doesn’t mean that the players don’t want to. One person Self Antag is not a reason to Group Punish a Bunch of Players, just because you didn’t like that development. It wasn’t random extended nor it was a choice of the players to play the extended, which is your right as admin to do, but why you are restricting people possibilities to have fun?

Of course, I can see clearly that I’m very biased here, so, I wrote this report more or less to understand the reasoning more, the other people opinion as well, since i don’t think and feel that it was very proper.

Additional Information:

Worth mentioning might be that the round before the (s)extended was a wiz round with also free golems. Due to wiz being wiz he died very fast so one of the free golems became changeling and directed his brothers and mecha-friends to fight with rude station that forcefully tried to link free golems borgs to their own AI, which lead to the ling golem killing the nasty AI and Some shitsec invading golem ship and dying.

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Golems tend to get out of hand on longer rounds, mass producing shells and allowing the same things a xenobiologist with mass-produced shells does to occur- massive self-antag and greytiding by several players who are difficult to tell apart or administrate. The two rounds before this round were both dominated by the presence of free golems, so I decided the server could use a break from that and have a “normal” round

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You should make a player report on golems that griefed, not admin report because the server crashed.

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[redacted because I skimmed too hard]

I can pull logs, but ultimately this is above my pay-grade.

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Admin report is because zesko bussed the golems in the next round without provocation.

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I was just about to post this. I interpreted this as an abuse report because Zesko gimped the golems because he personally dislikes them.

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Considering that without the golems, the round ended up being relatively peaceful and lasted a very long time, i’d say I made the right decision here

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“I deleted the armory guns roundstart and the round was peaceful! I did nothing wrong!”

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Then why not punish the ones that break the peace that golems are suppose to keep instead of punishing every player who wanted a role after death that round?

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The end doesn’t justify the means, just because you abused your admin to preemptively stop a possible future outcome doesn’t make this a open and shut case. Just because players can do wrong doesn’t mean that possible peaceful routes should be closed. Your there to act when someone goes wrong not play as some dungeon master like role and try to dictate events.

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might I add, if this is the right round, zesk would not let me token as it would cause too much chaos

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This was the round after that, actually. I believe Extended is one of our token-forbidden modes

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So your confessing that your behavior is a multi-round problem and not a one off.

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I was there and I think that Zesko have made a right decision, because I believe it made that round better. It was actually about 2h-long highpop extended, and the shuttle was mostly called because morgue was getting full, a lot of people that went ssd when they died and janitors went missing somewhere so the hallways were messy. Handicapping a ghostrole that actually might not spawn at all isn’t anything bad and any admin has a right to do so at his discretion. No rules of admin conduct were broken and noone was harmed so I think that this report is invalid.

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server crashing is a pretty good reason to prevent the same thing from happening shortly afterwards

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He literally destroyed a spawners that DID SPAWN because he was salty about LAST ROUNDS golems. A simple announcement would have sufficed threatening to ban any unruly golems.

Aa for flaky, the golems didnt cause the crash, it was coincidental that golems were unruly on a round that crashed.

Zesko abused his powers to deny players a ghost role in the worst possible way, instead of just banning a couple idiots who probably deserved it

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What I can get from this:
NOOOOO YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING THAT I DON’T WANT TO NOOOOOO
NOOOO YOU CAN’T BE A GOLEM YOUR NOT PARTICIPATING IN MY THING I MADE NOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT NOOOOOOO

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^
What slav said,admins are there to make things fun not prevent fun
Zesko is a total loser and shoud be demoted for his shit admin behaviour.

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Bruh griefers just wanna have fun why are you banning them, shit admin smh

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The problem is he didnt ban anyone. He deleted a spawning method denying legitimate players access to a benign and usually fun role

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