What in the heck happened? Why am I banned for a year?

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Yesterday no issues but today I’ve got a year long ban? And I’m not even allowed to appeal?
”You must roleplay. Repeated instances of breaking character to complain about their job ban.”
If you mean I had to inform people not to give me jobs I was job banned for then yes I did it but I was careful to say “centcom” and not reference OOC.

For all the suffering and misery I went through on this ban, the confusion of being given conflicting instructions, and what I considered a deceptive appearance ban that somehow turned into a permanent ban for the purposes of making this ban.. I think I’m owed a conversation, if I’m not allowed to appeal.

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I don’t think it was just the informing people part. I heard you over multiple rounds over the radio complaining about the botanist job that you signed up for, and when I observed you over some of the botanist rounds, you:

  1. Planted one plant in a planter (like berries or pineapple)
  2. Stood there for minutes while you watched it grow
  3. Harvested the result
  4. Threw it in a disposals unit
  5. back to step 2
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Fair enough but I got chewed out for doing that and tried to be more interactive even though I was having a horrible time.

Often when trying to interact with people after that I was mostly ignored unless it was low pop, I was trying to role play roles I didn’t normally do, I was trying to behave in ways to attract RP that felt unnatural to me, and yeah I was depressed that for the next 60 days these were going to be the roles I was stuck with.
It was difficult but I was trying.

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My advice is seek out servers that are less RP oriented and more action focused, and maybe you’ll have more fun in there. You don’t have to force yourself and ruin your days trying to roleplay here if doing so brings you such despair. It doesn’t have to be that way, it just screams that this server is definitely not for you. Either way, good luck!

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A little over two weeks ago you were clocked on your third offense for something egregious enough to warrant an immediate permanent ban due to recurring not once but twice in recent history. You were also known for very poor RP and toxic lashing out in the distant past so this is not a new occurrence.

Two of us (myself and one other) vouched for having seen positive behavior and good roleplay potential out of you, while the rest of the team had only ever seen you play as an explorer that gets excessively salty when they die. You were given a chance to show this potential to the rest of the team when you should have been removed right away by normal standards.

In your second round after the ban you did a self-defense by welderbombing yourself and someone else.

After that initial bad turn, you spent multiple days of botanist blatantly complaining about your ban and how everything sucks in a barely IC way most of the time, hours spent sitting at a single plant trough, growing it, throwing it in the bin and growing it again. Anytime another player would approach you, you would either barely acknowledge them or blatantly tell them to go away and refuse to do anything with them. You ignored or brushed off even your other botanists, insisting you keep a normal blue tray while the rest were golden and refusing to do anything but grow and trash a single plant.

You did this for nearly 20 total hours of gameplay time.

While this was going on, multiple people expressed concern for your IRL wellbeing including myself reaching out as an admin to ask if you were okay, and then explaining why you didn’t seem okay because you were just sitting entirely stationary for hours. You proceeded to tell me you would move around more and spent the entire rest of that round pacing from one end of the station to the other while ignoring people who approached you. The very next round you went back to being entirely stationary at a botanist tray.

Then this bwoink happened:

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Alright I’m gonna hop in now and put an end to this one way or another., I’ve tried getting other players to interact with you and you close the door at every opportunity and have repeatedly made barely IC statements across several rounds since the warning of impending QC ban.

RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): The purpose of your ban is to get you more involved with other players and show that you can handle an RP setting and interactions with other players. Are exploration PvE and solo projects the only things that brought you to Beestation?

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami)->RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman): No. My two most used roles on Yogstation were command and security In captaincy I had 200 hours and in Security I had 800 because I liked doing leadership and guidance roles. I was doing explorer because I’ve been nervous about how people took me doing those roles so I was going to ease in slowly before taking them as much as I did in Yogstation. That’s why I play.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Then you should get involved in projects with other players and stop telling them things like “I don’t care”. Quit playing a character that’s a depressive asshole that doesn’t interact with anybody while complaining about Centcom preventing you from having any jobs you like. You shouldn’t be job transferring into banned roles, but helping to build a ship is not a banned role.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Go play the game with other people instead of blocking all interactions. This will probably be the last time we reach out regarding this. The whole purpose of an RP setting is to work along with what others are doing instead of trying to keep yourself isolated from what’s going on.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): I know you can do good interaction with others because I’ve seen it before, and I’m not the only admin that has. We spoke up to your better qualities when the discussion of the extreme outbursts was occurring - you’re making us look like fools frankly, or like we confused you for someone else.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami)->RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman): I’m concerned I’m going to be banned since requirements you’ve asked for may be subjective to opinion not fact.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): We are sharing all communications and observations right now. So far you’ve been observed completely shutting down all interaction for two days straight. You’re making it harder and harder to justify keeping you around.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Play the game, interact with other players, have a fun time. If you accidentally end up involved in a role that pushes on a boundary it’s fine as long as you aren’t explicitly taking command, security or are working on an isolated solo project that other players can’t participate in.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami)->RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman): I must be pretty horrible if it’s hard to justify keeping me around.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Because of how extreme your outbursts are when you lose your cool, yes. It’s very harmful to keep that kind of toxicity around. Pointing out how good you are with other players when you aren’t losing your cool is why you have this chance - now go prove us right by interacting with other players as a normal character

This was two days into your ban, and you stopped playing botanist when this bwoink happened.

I also stopped being an active part of monitoring you here, but other admins would share their observations and what was going on, including several quotes along these lines:

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When you first started out, you were doing much better than this, wording them in much more IC friendly ways:

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These were fantastic ways to communicate IC that you’re not allowed/able to do some jobs.

There were a few rounds where you joined as a prisoner and showed that you were able to work it into a character in a way that wasn’t half-bad, but most of the time you just rolled assistant and did more or less the same thing you did as a botanist - stand mostly in one place by yourself, occasionally making sure other people left you entirely alone when they tried to interact.

During the nations event round your ticket with me was seen by other admins and your outburst at me during it was essentially the final straw, with your lack of improvement / good behavior having already been discussed in an admin meeting immediately beforehand.

Here is that ticket again for context:

ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #9: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Sting Buzzing walked up and shot me without any RP. Isn’t this supposed to be a RP server? What the fuck?

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Can you give me some examples of your RP that led to the conflict?

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami)->RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman):

  • Sting Buzzing buzzes, “Ah.”
  • Sting Buzzing buzzes,”Heya.”
  • Mason Miami says, “Hey.”
  • Sting Buzzing buzzes, “I was searching for you.”
  • Sting Buzzing fires the compact combat shotgun (Wielded)

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Yes, I can see he walked up to you, said some things and then unloaded, what I’m asking is about your RP so far prior to that - what have you been doing to RP?

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami)->RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman): I TRIED TO RP WITH HIM. I tried

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Everything before you were shot by him is what I’m asking about - what RP have you done so far this round and with who

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami)->RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman): I will tell you if explain how that’s at all relevant to the ahelp right now.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): In order for a player to be disrupting your roleplaying you first have to be roleplaying. So I’m asking what roleplaying you were doing that was disrupted.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): So, what have you been doing so far in the round?

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami)->RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman): I don’t see the relevance, I’m sorry. You don’t attack people for ahelping and accuse them of not roleplaying. If you had a issue you should’ve pinged me.

ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #9: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Unless.. Did you instruct that person to attack me because you thought I wasn’t roleplaying?

ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #9: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): Is that what YOU did?

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): I don’t have an issue with what you’re doing - This is a fairly loose round as it is. What I have issue with is that you are barely saying anything or engaging in RP, and then have the gall to complain that someone else is barely talking to you before punishing you for your own actions of *mostly silently* doing crime

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): There is no issue with your actions or theirs - they were sent to kill you, greeted you and then killed you. The reason they were sent to kill you has justification.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami)->RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman): No one gives a shit to RP with me. They don’t care. They’re busy with their own thing and they dont fucking care

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami)->RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman): Fine

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): You are an assistant which is part of no nation, so your actions don’t need justification but that doesn’t mean you won’t face consequences for it.

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami)->RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman): There was no need to turn this into a wrestling match

ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RukoFamicom/(Norman Hyuman)->Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami): get out there and interact with people and you might have a case, otherwise expect to be shot silently for silent crimes

You had at that point an hour into the round, 20-something say logs and built a record of breaking and entering, causing unprompted general chaos. Perfectly fine actions as an assistant in the round and not that different from what the other two assistants were doing given they had no leader and were the primary source of conflicts.

But when your actions had consequences you immediately raged about how the other player wasn’t roleplaying to your standards as well as lashing out at me despite putting no effort into roleplaying yourself with anyone thus far.

The role ban was supposed to be permanent until appealed, with the earliest appeal being after two months. The ban was not supposed to automatically end after 60 days.

That out of the way, I no longer believe you are able to separate IC behavior, actions and emotions from OOC behavior actions and emotions because you were acting on your OOC feelings through IC means for almost the entire period since the ban was placed, with only a few isolated of instances showing otherwise. Your character is supposed to be separate from you as the player.

We are not allowed to leak admin chats or private discussions, so the only things I can really post here is my viewpoint and things I personally said, observed and did. Others may post, or the thread may be hidden or even deleted in the future but I hope at least my point of view sheds some light on why the decision to move forward with the permanent ban was made.

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I was happy, I RP’d when people gave me a chance to do so, and I really didn’t think anyone else minded me(as long as I kept my temper in check) until the job bans I was having a good time.
Here’s the list:

Captain, Head of Personnel, Research Director, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer, Head of Security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer, Brig Physician, Deputy, Station Engineer, Atmospheric Technician, Scientist, Exploration Crew, Roboticist, Shaft Miner, AI, Cyborg, All Antagonists, Ashwalker, Lavaland Elite, Free Golem

(Also note “All Antagonists”, I had a memorable round with a vampire and when he thralled me the game kicked me out of my body. He got mad at me and thought I ghosted on him.)

Also I’m going to complain about getting banned on a fucking Monday this is the thing I was looking forward to when I got home. I came home from work exhausted went to do a little SS13, didn’t expect any ban because I had been on my best behavior, get kicked off with a ban message, then spent the rest of the evening looking for servers that looked like my server I even tried the ERP servers.. Sadly, I never did find anything. I wish Yogstation was still here.

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(I don’t have time to go over the whole post right now, so I apologize if I’m missing later context)

It is actively harmful to have someone on the server outright refusing interaction with other players every time they are approached, actively shutting down every opportunity with “Go away” or some equivalent, and I will again point out that one of the earliest interactions into the ban was welderbombing their own department and coworker in an act of self-defense.

They were actively harmful to others enjoyment of the game who attempted to approach and interact with them, as well as anyone sharing a workspace with them.

This is going to come off as somewhat cruel, but it’s best said directly: Social phobia isn’t our problem as admins. This is a roleplaying server and interactions with other players are not only expected but expected to meet a certain level of quality. You can play a character with less words that behaves more through actions and still have it be a character if you do it carefully, but you can’t complain every time you encounter someone else doing this same thing.

We thought more than once to move forward with the ban because what was being observed was not just poor RP, but unhealthy mentally.

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vro why did you delete your response :grimacing: lowkey we still see what you wrote :skull: :skull: :fire:

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Continuing the discussion from [Aphielanisn] Player Report +_+

You never appended that to any documentation and I forgot which admin said this. If I had been asked “What am I doing?” by another admin I could’ve been so screwed. So I was caught walking a tightrope. As you can imagine(maybe) this was very stressful.

What you’re leaving out about that interaction is that Sting saw me typing because I have chat bubble enabled, I was standing still, and he decided to shoot me rather than talk after starting a conversation.
Isn’t that chat baiting?

This was a awful round to me for 95% of the duration. Medbay refused to heal me because I was broke so I spent a lot of the round searching for medical supplies to try to get rid of the awful red halo around my HUD.

Yes, I let my hair down and tided medbay a bit in revenge. Considering Security were allowed to do cold blooded murder how were my actions approaching anything worse than what they did?

Everyone else was stealing whatever wasn’t nailed down and taking it back to their department.
Security were shitburglars who took center stage so nobody even noticed me most of the time.
Then I got killed by Sting and wasn’t even sure I was going to get revived.
When I finally did get a chance to RP it was near the end and the shuttle was called but I got to interact as “The Man with No Nation” and people were pretty cool about it. I was pretty sad the round ended so abruptly when I had found a place, that sucked a lot.
Maybe I could even say 100% of the round sucked since when I finally found a role I could be the round ended.

Yes. I made a huge mistake here. I’m sorry. I had set up the situation since we were under attack, then my partner botanist convinced me to do something else, and as we were about to do her plan(not sure what) we got attacked and I still had the welder in hand and the tank right next to me so in a fraction of a second I made a bad decision.
I took the remedial step after this of never setting myself up in this situation again.

Yes, I was exhausted. at work we were getting caught up after being shut down for 4 days from winter weather. I just wanted to play some relaxed space man and take it easy.

While being exhausted it was hard to ignore that I felt as if I had been cheated to get a ban shoved through. The feeling of being too tired and not really having a way to fight back fucked with me a lot.

Less trays = Less carpal tunnel. I hate jobs that are nothing but click-fests they tear up my hands and on top of that Bees has some mushy controls that take multiple clicks to register. The plants are kind of worthless unless I do mutations so I just threw them out when I was done I genuinely didn’t think it would upset anyone.

I got a bit sloppy but they were still IC enough to be IC I tried to be careful.
If you don’t mind me asking is this the specific reason why my ban was escalated?

I knew this but the end of that 60 days was something I had a goal for.

Except actually look at the complaint. I agree RKz has some issues to be addressed but he essentially hijacks the complaint, lists all new issues, draws a conclusion, and then shuts down the complaint before I can respond. I’m then told that essentially I can’t appeal this decision for 60 days.
How much of that complaint even looks like RKz was addressing the player’s complaint?

The secondary issue I’m having with this is at no point was it made clear to me I was on such thin ice until the recent series of job bans. We went from 2-day ban to that.

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As I told you during the ticket:

I didn’t leave anything out of the interaction. I was quoting the ticket.

I am fully aware you were shot after they had typed. I’m also fully aware of how many times you ran away instead of responding to others up until that point in that round. I stand by saying “You reap what you sow”.

I again have no issue with your actions that round, but as a result of your actions I also have no problem with how you were killed.

It might be, but this is not something easily proven, nor was this a concern you raised in the ticket at the time.

There was a large flashing notice given to all players that described what the nations event round was and declared that assistants would not have a leader or any allegiance. Everyone was allowed to be cold-blooded murderers if their department leader told them to do so, not just security.

Nations generally turns each department against the others. The whole premise of the event is fragile peace and relations that fall apart when the first shot is fired. Framing medbay got you killed.

Out of character - you did nothing wrong as a player during the round and I have said this already. You were not punished by an admin in any way at all on any OOC level, your ticket was simply rejected because it had no basis.

In character - you took it personally that a “nation” decided not to help you when you had nothing to offer them. You then sought revenge against them and were punished appropriately IC for it. You then immediately requested OOC retribution.

You must separate IC from OOC, they are not the same thing. Just because you died does not mean the other player is in the wrong.

No, but it was one of the major factors in it.

The reason the ban was escalated was because you failed to show that you could consistently play as a character that stayed in-character.

First off, as has already been clarified to you - the “2-day” ban was only made two days after the fact. This was a permanent ban under initial assumption that a griefer had taken over your account because your behavior was so bad in the first offense. I felt I made it very clear that the behavior was egregious and beyond unacceptable.

I’m going to throw @ro5490 a bit under the bus on this one because to quote our admin policy:

Repeat offenses will be met with escalating punishment (e.g. Note > Minor > Major > Perma)

Your “second” offense should have been escalated with a much larger ban instead of simply being given a warning after. That said, the length of the ban served should not be equated to the severity of the incident - if you keep doing the same thing without improvement we are simply going to remove you because it isn’t getting better.

I use quotes for “second” because this was not truly your second incident, just the second one in recent times. Your behavior and record go back much further and you have shown pretty well by now that the behavior isn’t changing.

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I want to go through the log on this [Aphielanisn] Player Report +_+ - #18 by RKz I’m certain I was informed of who killed me in fact at this point it was public knowledge on the station and he was in a MMI because of it.

I also encountered him in the halls with the projector before I said “[2026-01-10 03:25:57.060] SAY: Aphielanisn/(Mason Miami) “he's got a chameleon device watch out” (Medbay Central (81, 135, 2))”
I can prove this through simple logic. Do you see any place before I died where he would’ve used a chameleon projector? I had no idea he had the projector before I died.

I could’ve raised these points if the complaint had not been locked down before I was given a chance to respond.

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Even if these are true, they do not address the core issue or change the outcome of the report, they only address whether metaknowledge was shared as part of the OOC anger.

You have consistently allowed OOC anger over IC conflicts bleed ingame, leading to toxic/retaliatory actions.

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At the time I was playing the vigilante antagonist role. Do you think it’s unreasonable for me to conclude that I was supposed to behave vengefully towards criminals?

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Not to the extent in which you did, particularly because of the clear ties to your OOC emotions - You also tried to plasma flood as a vigilante and lied about having admin permission to do so. This was not a round in which you were trying in good faith to behave like a vigilante.

Your bans, your behavior and the circumstances surrounding them were thoroughly reviewed by several admins and actively discussed as a central topic in more than one of our admin meetings. This ban was not placed as a result of overlooking something during the incidents leading up to it, and it was not placed without ample warning (though ban escalation could have been followed a bit better, admin discretion can waive that a ban is necessary for a player who says they understand what is being discussed).

If you (or anyone else since this is a general thread after all) have any further comments, questions or concerns about why this ban was placed, ask or say so now because I’m setting a timer on this thread to close and duplicate threads will be removed so we can all move on from this.

Please keep comments civil
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I never lied. I informed the admin what was happening and they neglected to respond. As a rule I do not lie and implying I do without proof violates your request to keep comments civil.

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This is a lie.

A lack of response is not permission to carry out a vague threat with a plasma flooding. No sane person could expect a plasma flood to be your intention in response to going bald.

And to get ahead of it, this objective was received AFTER the vague threat as a result of atmos already being on fire because an air alarm messaged triggered hypnotization.

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Just as a sort of hypothetical, what would one actually be able to do with that objective?

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If I got that objective, I would simply assume that the pressure and temperature is high everywhere and at all times and I need to break into atmos very loudly and in panic mode to steal a hardsuit from here and never take it off, preferably yelling that people are trying to kill me if they want me to take it off xd

Edit: I am curious if such mishaps are to be treated as mishaps or if it’s allowed for a victim to ask whoever brainwashed them in LOOC what did they actually want to do if you caught onto the fact it’s not what they intended

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From my perspective on the situation at large -

You where given a chance to actually interact with the community in a positive way, and do some RP via a role ban.

You failed to do so, repeatedly, to the point other players had pointed out how weird you’d been acting, and even when I joined rounds to try and interact with you, all I got where basic one word responses for the most part, or completely ignored.

You also spent the majority of most rounds either doing nothing (one example being sitting mostly afk on the explo shuttle as an assistant for the entire round) or pretending to do something (Harvest plant, disposal, wander station, repeat - for one example).

We gave you multiple chances, and multiple admins even opened tickets with you asking what was up or similar, and got unproductive responses.

You even went out of your way to complain consistently across rounds about your ban, even stating that botanist was the only good job left amongst other things which lead to a discussion on our side of things regarding your state of play.

I pushed for the role ban over QC ban when it was first discussed, as you can be a good player, especially after our talk about things. However even after given a solid chance to interact with people in a healthy manner, you seemed to refuse to do so, and this was the consensus of a large majority of the admin team at the end of our latest discussion on the topic.

At the end of the day, you didn’t put the effort in to interact with people in a productive and healthy way, and spent the majority of the role ban just complaining about it instead.

As such, a QC ban has been put in place. I do think the wording could have been a bit more detailed on the ban itself though.

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Brainwashing can happen as a trauma, which is where most brainwashings that are caused by utter nonsense phrases come from

Depends on too many circumstances tbh.

It’s a pretty nothingburger objective, but with the right framing you could certainly get away with something to do with fire.

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