What does everyone think of the new Space Law rework?

[Doe]

@sergeikoralev

Prisoners who have committed multiple crimes may only be imprisoned for the highest tier crime they have been charged with plus twenty percent (20%) of the total time.

This needs to be added to space law, like, right now.

[Heepox]

no it should never be added.
Not being able to send the serial murderer to the electric chair bad.

[DatBoiTim]

@Heepox

Not being able to send the serial murderer to the electric chair bad.

I think there’s a difference between this versus Breaking into HoP office to beat them up and steal their ID.

Your example is definitely where elevated sentencing applies for turning their murder into capital.

Modifiers need to be elaborated on a bit more however.

[llol111]

SpaceLaw has been updated with refinements and suggestions taken from the feedback thread

What does everyone think of the new Space Law rework?

Alright, this is going to be a two part thing. First: We want to hear your general impressions on the space law rework. Second: If you have problems with the space law rework then what, specifically, are they? Did we miss a crime? Is EOTC too hard to prove? Are there any modifiers that we missed? It’s important to remember that this thread’s scope is to the wording and extent of the Space Law page on the wiki. This forum thread is not for entertaining code, rule, or server policy improvements…

Here’s the issues we’ve addressed for now:

Clearly define authority when not in ideal (all heads present) situations.

• If No CAP/HOS/Warden, then reference Acting captain’s verdict.
• If no command is present then security officers may confine people permanently in accordance with space law. Executions are not permitted unless use of lethal force would otherwise be authorized. Executions after capture are not authorized.

Guidelines for what to do in event all cells are full.

• Parole the prisoner with the least time remaining on their sentence.

Limitations or permissible actions on hostile agents (tracking implants, chem implants, etc…)

• Permissible: Tracking and Chemical implants with non-lethal drugs. Implant searches may only be performed if there is definitive evidence that the individual has an implant. Pacification in the event the individual also committed violent crimes.
• Bad: No-reason implant search beyond Hostile agent charge, no-reason pacification (no history of violent behavior).

Level of leeway given in reducing sentence time.
+/- 20% of sentence time. (1 minute for minor, two for moderate, three for major.)

Is time taken during search in brig counted towards sentence time?

• Yes. The prisoner should have their cell timer started before any search is performed.

What do you do with heretics?

• Add to EOTC without trial required.

What happens to people who have committed multiple crimes?

• Prisoners who have committed multiple crimes may only be imprisoned for the highest tier crime they have been charged with plus twenty percent (20%) of the total time.

We’ve also added guidance for a trial format.

https://wiki.beestation13.com/view/Space_Law
Space Law
[19:18]
Still to do:

-Update highrisk items/contraband lists (comming soon)

-Adressing what to do with the lawyers role in general

[Kenny]

clause for escaping brig.

[DarnTheMarn]

There should be a clause that items that weren’t used in part of a crime can’t be confiscated for no reason. I’ve had toolbelts and insuls confiscated all the time even when I didn’t do anything that involved them. Civil asset forfeiture is BS in real life and shouldn’t be in the game.

[J.I.JOE]

Pretty sure 99% of greytiders are not grabbing toolbox and insuls because they plan to fix wiring in maints.

[DarnTheMarn]

I don’t think that really matters. If it wasn’t used in a crime and isn’t contraband, you shouldn’t just take shit without provocation. Thats shitsec behavior

[sergeikoralev]

@DarnTheMarn

There should be a clause that items that weren’t used in part of a crime can’t be confiscated for no reason. I’ve had toolbelts and insuls confiscated all the time even when I didn’t do anything that involved them. Civil asset forfeiture is BS in real life and shouldn’t be in the game.

Brig procedure already covers this.

[Daridine]

I LOVE the new space law.
But I hate that people are already not reading it properly.
Someone said Attempted murder isn’t illegal the other day, but, they somehow ignored that assault, theft, kidnapping, having contraband etc etc is ALL stuff that is attempted murder.

[sergeikoralev]

Yeah, the reason we can get away with not explicitly listing attempted murder is because that literally constitutes like four other crimes already, including assault.

[DatBoiTim]

I’ve noticed that there’s a charge for: Dangerous Contraband Listed in the overview for major crimes.

This isn’t described in Major Crimes however.

@sergeikoralev

four other crimes already

Only ones I can see would be assault, aggravated assault, and hostile activity. Though perhaps expanding hostile activity’s description/examples may be of use(IE: adding examples beyond just fucking with security)

Hostile Activity Description/Example

To knowingly commit an act which is in direct opposition to the interests of Nanotrasen, Or to directly assist a known enemy of the corporation. | Impeding security’s ability to detain a dangerous convict, or walling off the security department or other critical areas.

[sergeikoralev]

@DatBoiTim

I’ve noticed that there’s a charge for: Dangerous Contraband Listed in the overview for major crimes.

This isn’t described in Major Crimes however.

It’s code is 306. Its name was shortened in the grid.

and for a “attempted murder” you probably have

• Aggravated assault
• B&E/trespass
• Disorderly conduct
• possibly a contraband charge

at least those are ones that you can probably easily connect. End of the day you only need one. Point is “temp murder” is covered by other areas of space law.