CKEY:
weedspagon Admin’s CKEY:
rukofamicom Ban Type:
server Ban Length:
2 weeks Ban Date (YYYY/MM/DD/):
2025/02/13 Round ID:
51636 Ban Reason:
Rules 14, 2 and 3 violation Appeal Reason:
Severely misrepresented information in the original report, many assumed details. Plaintiff making my conduct out to be far worse than it actually was. Additional Information:
Regarding the metaknowledge: I knew I was killed by poisoned nanites because I saw them tamper with my cloud a full five minutes prior to dying, while they did absolutely nothing to assist a downed fellow explorer. After coming back from being sacrificed, never called them out as a heretic; I simply wondered over comms how the hell I ended up back onstation with half my gear missing and with obvious symptoms of brain damage.
Regarding accusations of powergaming: yeah making a nanite lab in the explorer shuttle is pretty silly. But this was setup for a planned gimmick. The intention was perfecting the nanites during downtime between explorer missions and eventually setting up public chambers so everyone could have the same power. The only reason I was the only one with my “”“god nanites”“” was because the antag threw a bigass wrench in my plan not even ten minutes into the round.
Regarding accusations of not doing my job: my job was compromised by the fact my coworker very obviously killed me earlier and was completely untrustworthy.
Regarding me attacking them: I agree this was not the right thing to do, however I had very solid IC reasons for doing so. I had witnessed them poison my nanites and neglect saving their fellow explorer at least a couple minutes before the 5 minute death amnesia would apply, and their response to accusations was along the lines of “what? nooo! I didnt do that!!” and to tell security that I was in fact a heretic and that my standard issue survival knife was a spooky heretic blade. This made me angry and impatient both IC and IRL and resulted in me stabbing the heck out of them, fully intending to leave them alive. I was arrested and served time over this and the issue was resolved ingame as far as I was concerned.
The two messages you were given, first for being killed: "You do not remember the circumstances leading up to your death!"
and after returning alive from heretic resurrection into the mansus: "The experience leaves your mind torn and memories tattered. You will not remember anything leading up to the experience if revived."
The ban states you were yelling about the crimes of the other player, not calling them out explicitly as a heretic. Here’s some of the first few things you said, some of which directly contradict the “five minute” claim even if it was valid here.
SAY: Weedspagon/(Ash Camble) "WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY NANITES YOU FUCK" (Chapel Office (79, 73, 2)) SAY: Weedspagon/(Ash Camble) "the other explorer fucked with my nanites" (Nanite Lab (117, 92, 2)) SAY: Weedspagon/(Ash Camble) "set them to poison" (Nanite Lab (117, 92, 2)) SAY: Weedspagon/(Ash Camble) "and when I came back to life they set them back" (Nanite Lab (117, 90, 2)) SAY: Weedspagon/(Ash Camble) "I'm gonna...RUIN that fucker" (Nanite Lab (117, 90, 2)) SAY: Weedspagon/(Ash Camble) "they let me go down" (Nanite Lab (117, 90, 2)) SAY: Weedspagon/(Ash Camble) "refused healing me" (Nanite Lab (117, 90, 2)) SAY: Weedspagon/(Ash Camble) "and the last thing I saw was them swap my nanites to poison" (Nanite Lab (117, 90, 2))
You first died just over 30 minutes into the round. This was not a quick/basic 10 minute setup you were working on.
You should never remember the circumstances that directly lead to your death when you die. Every time a player gets up and immediately screams about the crimes of their killer, it potentially ruins the round of the antagonist. The rules say “roughly” five minutes, which means it is not a concrete amount of time - the direct purpose of the rule is as stated outside of the parenthesis and quoted at you in-game When you are revived, you cannot remember the circumstances leading up to your death.
Never use the knowledge of how you died when you get back into the game again. Doing so is cheating.
I’d like to point out that this was literal days ago, and I dont have logs to recall the exact timing of events. I just know I was leveraging the timing of events I do remember as best I could because I was trying to avoid hard metagaming. I realize saying “ten minutes in” is inaccurate, and the “roughly” stipulation on the death amnesia could well apply here. I was never trying to cheat and was simply accusing someone in character of a crime I very much ought to know about in character. If I was wrong here, I’m genuinely sorry and willing to admit fault as far as my own actions go. However what I am not sorry for is them accusing me of ruining their round; I have since heard from other players that the heretic was using ic chat to accuse my ckey, not my character name, of being the heretic, and instead of seeking out their other targets they instead spent their time attempting to convince others that I was in fact the heretic. They not only wasted their own round, but mine as well, in an extremely spiteful manner.
Unrelated to any of these events, their character name violates the guidelines. They have a middle name.
Yes I can understand that is a possibility in dealing with reports, it only gets worse the longer they sit too. If you make an appeal with strong assertions as if they are hard, probable facts I just match that tone when the assertions are really far off.
And in line with my above statement:
I’m gonna have to call bs on this - the nanites tampering happened as you were already being killed presumably so that you could actually be killed. You even directly asserted this yourself in the round it happened, it was the last thing you saw before you died.
There was no attempt or concern for the information you should retain after death within the heat of the moment, that’s why this is being treated as the egregious violation it is. If you understand it’s bad and won’t do it again, that’s great, but it still already happened.
Okay, why not allow admins to handle these issues instead of withholding them in private chats until the tail end of an appeal?
If there are future issues you (and they) should report them, through forums or ahelp, but this appeal isn’t the place to take out your grievances on other players.
It wasnt in private chats, it was in bee general…and I wasnt exactly making any effort of withholding it, its just not something I was even consciously aware of until this appeal made it relevant.
Main thing here is, the heretic’s ingame conduct was egregiously spiteful, and while I had assumed it was resolved IC already, I come to find out that they not only reported me after the fact, but their conduct during the round only served to ruin their own enjoyment of it, as well as my own, when they could easily have avoided me and instead gone off to do their heretic thing. They accused me of ruining their round when in fact they did it to themselves and that does not sit right with me.
They got caught and rather than deal with the ic consequences in a reasonable manner, rather than proceeding with their antag role, they decided their effort was better spent making my time in the round as inconvenient as possible, threw a report on it after the fact, and complained about me in discord during the round.
You say this isnt the place to take out grievances on other players; but what if thats exactly what they are doing to me? An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, after all.
