Admin’s CKEY: @St0rmC4st3r
Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: Sage. Even though I don’t play there I’m appealing on principle.
Which server did the ban happen on? Sage.
Ban Type: Server.
Ban Length: 10 days.
Ban Date: 8/8/2020 (Ban says 8/9/2020)
Round ID: 19626
Ban Reason: Toolboxed and scalpeled a doctor to death over firing a fingergun, after which assumed he was a mime ling with traitor items (he was a non-antag doctor). I don’t think you are here for roleplaying.
Appeal Reason: Even if the ban doesn’t get lifted, it’s inaccurate. Here’s what actually happened. So I join MRP as a meme (assistant) to try and start a revolution of the people or something, and as I make my way around the station, I find myself in the dorms, near the holodeck, where I grab a toolbox for self defense and the radio inside of it. It was the end of a 70 pop 1 hour round, half the station was unliveable, therefore reasonable expectation of a threat, and with no admins it’s not out of the question that someone was running around murderboning.
Anyway I see this guy at the holodeck and rant about how we’re being oppressed when he asks if I want a haircut. I say I want him to join me in overthrowing the oppressive heads, and he give me a cool afro. Neat.
So there’s a Mime Traitor Item that lets you fire real bullets out of your hands with air fingerguns. Unknown to me, there’s also a fingergun emote that looks exactly the same.
So when the guy starts making fingerguns at me, and firing, even to the point that invisible bullets were hitting the windows around me, I run, because I don’t want to die. (I don’t think he hit me, but the wording of some of the ahelps imply that he did, but I have no proof he actually hit me so I had no way of knowing they were fake. I just assumed he was a bad shot.)
Then it occurs to me. He’s a lousy shot. Since this is MRP, he’s probably bad at other combat too. I can probably kill the antag and save the station. I can take a few bullets, but he can’t take that many hits to the head (you only get 3 bullets with the item and he already fired one), and since I was gone a little bit I have the element of surprise. Besides, he shot first so it’s probably fine to attack him back.
So I go robust him with the toolbox, and kill him. Strip him of his stuff to see if he’s hiding and other tator gear, nothing. Stab his dead body with his own scalpel for good measure, in case he was ling or something so he can’t get up. I then climb into the escape pod at dorms and blast off to freedom, then close the game and go do other stuff, like check discord.
Additional Information: The ban reason isn’t even accurate. I didn’t think he was a ling, nor did I scalpel him to death. I stabbed him with his scalpel AFTER he died, yes, and to make sure he couldn’t rise on the offhand CHANCE he was a ling, but I didn’t actually think I was fighting a ling, because he had traitor items.
I end up getting pinged by @St0rmC4st3r in the mentor channel on discord, so I go ahead and rejoin, thinking he’s just asking for more info. Long story short the linchpin of his argument is that I was somehow using “metaknowledge” or “validhunting” when I killed the guy.
You can know about antag items on MRP. It’s not HRP where you have to act like an ignoramus when you see someone using an emag or any other traitor item because you wouldn’t know what it is as a nanotrassen employee.
Validhunting is seeking or baiting players into validity so you can kill them, or hunting out people who are valid already. Me getting shot at and then killing the guy who shot at me is not “validhunting”. You are totally allowed to attack confirmed antags you see, especially if you’re the only other person around.
@Ruko had a much clearer mind about it, being that she didn’t know the full story and it looked like I immediately jumped to killing someone over a very small provocation, aka “being trigger happy to the max” even though it wasn’t a mistake. But if I had been looking for reasons to kill someone, I wouldn’t have run at first, and instead killed them with my toolbox.
Thought somebody had the Mime Traitor fingerguns that shoot real bullets, ran away from them when they started to shoot at me, then came back and killed them when I realized they were bad at shooting and therefore probably all combat, and thus killed them to save the station, got a 10 day ban for an honest mistake.
Also the guy afterwards in the discord was totally fine with it when he realized I was sorry, and said he hoped I didn’t get a ban.