PowerfulBacon Admin Report

In-game misconduct:

CKEY: Powerful Bacon

Your Discord: The Maggot Guy#3950

Offender’s CKEY: PowerfulBacon

LRP or MRP server: MRP

Date: 04-04-2020

Round Number:14229

Part of Admin Conduct Broken (if relevant): 2.1? About ICK consequences? He literally said getting murdered was my fault so IDK

Incident Description: So as Mime I've been trying out a creepy vibe lately, and part of that is just following a random player around and staring at them while occasionally pointing and blocking them in with the mime wall. (I also use the laugh effect on the Sound Synthesizer but not this time.) This time I stalked the CMO, and when he went into the room just before surgery, where 2 others were, I blocked him in. I can't remember if he got out, or not, but I blocked the two others in again by themselves. Then This happened:

Bean Hamber says, “Just.”

You feel dizzy.
Bean Hamber says, “Kill mime.”

Bean Hamber says, “Ok.”

You feel dizzy.

Albert Bluetenberger says, “Fuck he put a fake wall.”

We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream stares.

Grimez Ratman grabs you passively!

You feel woozy.

Grimez Ratman grabs you passively!

Grimez Ratman grabs you aggressively!

Grimez Ratman starts to tighten his grip on you!

We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream struggles as they fail to break free of Grimez Ratman’s grip!
x3

Bean Hamber says, “Thank you.”

Grimez Ratman grabs you by the neck!

We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream struggles as they fail to break free of Grimez Ratman’s grip!

Grimez Ratman starts lifting We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream onto their back…

Bean Hamber says, “Make him suffer.”

Grimez Ratman says, “No problem.”

At some point I got free (I didn’t remember getting grabbed until I reread the log here I copied, not sure why I don’t remember getting grabbed and I don’t think I remembered it at the time either, but irl I just had a migraine that made me pass out for 24 hours which may explain that, and also explains why I didn’t post this earlier.)
So one of them was a paramedic, and the other was some other job, maybe a weirdly dressed assistant, I don’t think I examined him, and when the paramedic rushed me, I swung at him first so I wouldn’t die. I ended up knocking the paramedic down, when his friend rushed me, and while I was dealing with his friend, he got up, got a shard, and started attacking me again. This further shows his intent to kill as I was completely unarmed and didn’t have anything that I could use as a weapon in my backpack, and my goal was not to kill, but to punish them for attacking me (I still thought I could win and IC getting beat up by anyone, especially the mime is punishing (from an IC perspective).). In keeping my distance, we made into an area with chairs, which they both picked up and beat me until I straight up died, then they went on their way.

It was at this point I ahelped because that’s murder and severe over-escalation.

Additional Information: Here's how he responded:

Instead of bwoinking them for literally murdering me for staring at them and putting up a wall, he said it was my fault because I swung first, and he straight up told me, “it’s your fault for losing the fight” and refused to do anything. When I pointed out that even then it was severe overescalation he replied, “well one of them was antag”
YOU DON’T ICK OCK, ESPECIALLY AS ADMIN
thankfully Caecillius joined up later, and took care of it.

This is MRP, not LRP, so murder is not okay. Not even antags can kill people for no reason! So even if I had “started a fight” which I didn’t, they literally rushed me after saying they would kill me so it was self defense, murderboning is still breaking the rules.

Therefore by not punishing for that, this guy is breaking the rules.

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Going to post the logs and see the opinions on this one.

ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #1: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): janitor killed me for staring at him
ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #2: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): bean hamber and grimez ratman straight up said they were going to murder me for putting up a wall and so they did
ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #2: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): please aheal me so I don’t get borged against my will for no reason
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind)->The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): One would be a valid kill, the other grabbed you and you started punching them
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream)->PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind): what? What? They sad they were going to kill me so I struck first.
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind)->The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): If they just said it doesn’t mean they are going to do it, if you attack first in a fight and lose it’s your own fault
[IC Marked]
(After messaging about the ticket in OOC)
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind)->The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): Stop
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream)->PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind): stop what
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind)->The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): Salting in OOC, if you attacked first you aren’t getting murderboned
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream)->PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind): They straight up said they were going to murder me, it’s murderbone
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind)->The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): But they didn’t do it until you started attacking, clowns often say shit over comms but that doesn’t make them a traitor
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream)->PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind): it wasn’t a clown! the one said, JUST MURDER THE MIME and the other said ok and the other said MAKE HIM SUFFER. if a guy pulls out a gun and says im going to shoot yo, you believe him! even if it wasnt mirderbone it severe fucking overescalation for putting a fucking wall down
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind)->The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): One was also a traitor
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream)->PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind): that’s ick ock and you can’t mrderbone as traitor, this isn’t lrp
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind)->The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): It wasn’t murderbone if you attacked first though
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream)->PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind): they said they were goingt o murder me, it was self defense. he made hostile movements
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind)->The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): Alright, so you attacked first and lost.
This would be totally different if you were attacked and didnt attacj
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream)->PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind): So I have to sit there and get killed?
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind)->The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): No, if they attacked first because you built a wall then I would be bwoinking them not you
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream)->PowerfulBacon/(Burnard Silkwind): they did though. that’s literally what happened
ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #4: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream): Bean Hamber says, "Just.&#34

They said they were going to beat you, the guy came at aggressive grabbed and tried to lift you onto their back at which point you started punching and they were punching back, hand on I’ll get the logs for that here.

[2020-04-04 10:09:45.072] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) cast the spell Invisible Wall. (Medbay Central (112, 110, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:09:46.521] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has grabbed The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) passive grab (NEWHP: 99) (Medbay Central (111, 110, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:09:57.886] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has grabbed The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) passive grab (NEWHP: 98) (Medbay Central (111, 109, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:00.040] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has grabbed The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) passive grab (NEWHP: 97) (Medbay Central (110, 110, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:01.069] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has grabbed The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 96) (Medbay Central (110, 110, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:02.063] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has attempted to neck grab The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) neck grab (NEWHP: 96) (Medbay Central (110, 110, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:05.021] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has grabbed The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) neck grab (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (110, 110, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:11.759] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has punched Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 93.3) (Medbay Central (110, 110, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:18.522] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has punched Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 90.3) (Medbay Central (111, 120, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:19.437] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has punched Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 83.3) (Medbay Central (111, 121, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:20.637] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has punched Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 80.3) (Medbay Central (111, 121, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:25.810] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has punched Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 70.3) (Medbay Central (111, 120, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:25.988] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has got a stun punch with their previous punch Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 70.3) (Medbay Central (111, 119, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:27.011] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has kicked Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 60.1) (Medbay Central (111, 119, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:27.835] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has kicked Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 51.1) (Medbay Central (111, 119, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:28.915] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has kicked Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 43.6) (Medbay Central (111, 119, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:29.797] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has kicked Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 28.6) (Medbay Central (111, 119, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:29.968] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has got a stun punch with their previous punch Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 28.6) (Medbay Central (111, 119, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:30.313] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has shoved The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (112, 120, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:31.782] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has shoved The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (111, 118, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:32.053] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has punched Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) (NEWHP: 94.6) (Medbay Central (111, 116, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:35.121] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with T&T extra-strong absinthe (NEWHP: 85) (Medbay Central (111, 110, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:32.053] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has punched Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) (NEWHP: 94.6) (Medbay Central (111, 116, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:35.121] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with T&T extra-strong absinthe (NEWHP: 85) (Medbay Central (111, 110, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:38.340] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has punched The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: 77) (Medbay Central (110, 114, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:40.668] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has punched The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: 68) (Medbay Central (111, 113, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:41.600] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has attempted to punch The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: 68) (Medbay Central (111, 112, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:41.809] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has attempted to punch Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) (NEWHP: 94.6) (Medbay Central (111, 111, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:42.497] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has attempted to punch The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: 68) (Medbay Central (111, 112, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:42.902] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has attempted to punch Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) (NEWHP: 94.6) (Medbay Central (111, 111, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:43.435] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has punched The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: 67) (Medbay Central (111, 111, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:44.914] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has grabbed The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) passive grab (NEWHP: 67) (Medbay Central (111, 112, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:44.948] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has attempted to punch Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) (NEWHP: 94.6) (Medbay Central (111, 111, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:45.986] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has punched Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) (NEWHP: 91.9) (Medbay Central (111, 111, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:46.040] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has punched The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: 60) (Medbay Central (111, 112, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:46.282] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with shard (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 55) (Medbay Central (112, 111, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:46.957] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has attempted to punch Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) (NEWHP: 28.6) (Medbay Central (111, 111, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:48.845] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has punched The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: 47) (Medbay Central (111, 120, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:50.946] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has punched The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: 44.8) (Medbay Treatment Center (106, 121, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:10:51.148] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has punched Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) (NEWHP: 91) (Medbay Treatment Center (105, 122, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:01.329] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with chair (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 30.8) (Medbay (101, 126, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:02.002] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has attacked Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) with potted plant (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 82) (Medbay (102, 126, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:02.786] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with shard (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 25.8) (Medbay (102, 123, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:03.206] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has attacked Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) with potted plant (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 73) (Medbay (100, 124, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:06.660] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has attacked Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) with potted plant (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 18.6) (Medbay (102, 123, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:09.161] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has threw and hit The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with the chair (NEWHP: 15.8) (Medbay (101, 120, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:16.377] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has attacked Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) with potted plant (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 64) (Medbay (102, 125, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:17.177] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with chair (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 7.8) (Medbay (101, 126, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:17.322] ATTACK: The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) has attacked Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) with potted plant (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 57.3) (Medbay (102, 125, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:17.345] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with chair (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 1.8) (Medbay (102, 124, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:18.013] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with chair (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -6.2) (Medbay (101, 125, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:18.044] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with chair (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -14.2) (Medbay (102, 124, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:18.845] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with chair (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -22.2) (Medbay (101, 125, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:18.918] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with chair (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -30.2) (Medbay (102, 124, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:19.797] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with chair (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -38.2) (Medbay (102, 124, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:19.989] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has attacked The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) with chair (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -46.2) (Medbay (101, 125, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:11:27.193] ATTACK: Eva_NightShift/(Nick Emelyanenko) has curbstomped The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) (NEWHP: -85.6) (Medbay (102, 125, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:12:03.933] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has grabbed The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) passive grab (NEWHP: -100.6) (Medbay (102, 124, 2))
[2020-04-04 10:12:05.017] ATTACK: Pairofducks/(Grimez Ratman) has grabbed The Maggot Guy/(We Live In A Simulation But I Can’t Scream) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -100.6) (Medbay (102, 124, 2))

Then after this they were taken into robotics lab for some surgery (probably borging)

An admin is free to give information in tickets if they feel its necessary to explain things or it its necessary. They should try to avoid it but shouldn’t be required not to. It’s up to the player to not use that IC.

If you did use a harm intent first then traditionally you did self-antag. Especially after you broke into their department and pranked them. Threatening people and saying whatever you want are not against the rules (Obvious examples like slurs and OCK no included of course).

All that said, if you really did feel threatened then I would not punish you on MRP for swinging at them. LRP it would be a clear validity rule break, but MRP works on character motivation.

You have some holes or misunderstanding of rules. From our council rulings.

Murderboning is defined as indiscriminate killing of multiple parties for absolutely no reason. Isolated killings are not murderboning.

Over-escalation is the rule that may be broken here. Ultimately though looking at everything I can see this being ruled as IC. You pranked, did a creepy stalker gimmick, and harm hit them first. They should have called sec and just restrained you, but from council rulings on tresspassing…

IF they go completely hostile (Attacking first and non-stop), they use a weapon or come back to your workplace for a 3rd time (or with a weapon such as a baseball bat), you may validly kill them.

yep. I got borged and never returned to my body and they got no IC or OOC punishment for murder on MRP.

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I was there for healing, never left

aight, then it was murder

they went completely hostile on me. they killed me with chairs

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That rule is under tresspassing. After being aggressive grabbed which is a non-harmful action by itself, you repeatedly harm hit them.

You provoked their threats first. The IC ruling was the right one.

staring warrants murder?

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This seems to be a common thing with you. Reporting someone after provoking them IC. Staring does not warrant murder, you were murdered because you started beating them towards crit after they grabbed you.

Threatening to kill is not murder.

If I do this, it is not my intention

I only attacked because they rushed me after saying they would kill me

but does it not warrant the assumption that they will try to kill you, especially after you get rushed?
Again, they literally said they were going to make me suffer, can I not defend myself if they rush me? Not fault the first guy was bad at attacking despite all his attempts to do so. That’s why I was able to knock him down. And because it wasn’t my intent to kill, I didn’t keep hitting him till he died, even though I easily could have. however, once they knocked me down, they made sure I was dead. I still believe they rushed me with intent to kill, both at the time and now, and that their actions show the same.

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Was going to quote where you said on his feedback page about striking first generally leaving you open to retaliation, but I can’t find it for some reason.

I agree with this. I think I should’ve waited till they actually got a hit in (as at that point it was just fists) so there would be no doubt it was in self defense. Attacking first didn’t do anything to help me win anyway lol, and even though I still think it was overescalation (I never used anything besides fists, even at the end) it’s not that unreasonable that he would’ve marked it as an IC issue. I’d like to withdraw my report at this point, no hard feelings.

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Closing at the request of the author.

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