Philaretos, Alias Walther, Alias Nutella toast with (feet(butter(margarine))) Alias Blackberry Admin Application

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Your CKEY (Including any alts you have):

Philaretos

Your Discord Name (Including any alts you have):

VMYCode, vmyc0d3, theplague7588

How often are you online to help? (Timezone):

Ussually for 1-3 shifts before and after midnight CET, sometimes earlier during deadpop.

What changes, if any, would you bring?:

More Admin, particularly Centcom presence, more admin presence during lowpop.

How old are you?:

Above 18.

Why do you want to be a moderator?:

I was toying with the idea for a long time, but just wasnt sure id spare the time for it. I already spend a decent chunk of my days regularly playing beestation, and figured i might as well use some of that time to do Admin work.

Now with Bacon stepping back i figured i want to support the admin team, since i quite like this server.

How long have you been playing SS13?:

2022 or 2021, im not quite sure. I played on Goon initially.

How long have you been playing BeeStation?:

2022

On a scale of 1-10, how skilled are you in SS13?:

Strongly depends on the department. I useless in Science, dodgy in medbay, occasionally competent in security, well versed in Engineering, and a GENIUS in cargo bay (I am the best QM to ever QM afterall) Id say it all rounds out to a nice, 5/10.

On a scale of 1-10, how skilled are you as an administrator? (this can include past games):

I dont think i can make an acurate judgement on that. id guess an 8.

I like to think that i know my own vulnerabilities and biases well enough that i can conciously try and eliminate them from any admin tasks ill be handling.

I also like to think that i am well principled enough in regards to desiring fairness and understanding that i can maintain these to a good degree as part of my admin conduct.

Have you ever been an admin or moderator on another server? This is not limited to SS13:

Ive have / had a minecraft project and server thats been an on and off affair for 6 years, which i like to think i did decently well.

Do you have any alternate accounts on SS13? If so, could you provide their CKEY?:

No

Your strengths:

I play a lot. I am / was enough of a troublemaker that i think i can have a reasonable amount of empathy and understanding in tickets as to not give out unreasonably harsh interpretations and punishments of and for a players actions.

Your weaknesses:

Sometimes i get salty in games. I recognise when i am salty though and got enough sense to not do anything dumb or ill advised that ill come to regret later.

Is there anything that gets you really mad, real fast?:

Lies and Hypocrisy. Probably not really mad real fast, but still enough to grind my gears.

What do you think is the most important trait for a staff member to have?

Patience

What makes a staff team good?:

Being able to offer advice and opinions on what the others are doing without necessarily this being seen as an insult or inappropriate.

What is a staff team’s purpose?:

to support eachother such that the majority of the work isnt left to only a few or one team member. Staff work is draining, and so being the only one to do it can wear you down quickly.

What kind of player are you?:

I like to talk things out a lot, i dont like just ganking at someone even if that is the reasonable play, at least not without holding a “we gotchu” monolgue first(terms and conditions apply). If i see an opportunity to have something interesting happen ill ussually roll with it, even if that sometimes makes for unconventional ways of playing my roles.

How do you think you will change once you become a staff member?:

Ill probably be playing a little less to handle Centcom and tickets.

The clown slips the HoS and steals his gun, spacing it right after. What do you do?:

IC Issue. The Clown is expected to play pranks on crewmembers, and i think stealing the HOS’ gun is perhaps a little high impact, but probably still fair for them to do. Its an IC crime with no larger impact on the round and so should be handled by security.

A non-antagonist is sabotaging the Atmospherics loop and pumping plasma into the distro, along with dragging around a canister and releasing it into the atmosphere. Assuming that an admin is cleaning up the after-effects, how do you conduct the ahelp with him?:

Remind them of Rules 7 & 8, If they show understanding in ticket, and if they picked an engineering role probably give them a job ban for a week. if they didnt pick an engineering role and so went out of their way to get access first to then cause the chaos probably a server ban for 1 week.

If there is no understanding in ticket or they DC during it probably a Perma ban with them to give further explaination on the Forum.

A chemist who is working alone accidentally mixes an explosive mixture inside of his chem dispenser, instantly killing himself and destroying the machine, along with exposing Chemistry to space. Nobody else was injured aside from him as a result of his actions. What do you do?:

Nothing, thats just part of being a chemist. And in this case id assume theyre new to the game and just werent fully aware what the reaction would do, or just did a mistake.

I have no reason to assume that they did it with any hostile intent or to damage another player.

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Bonjourno Mentorno to Admino

Welcome to the application process, known for our fast proccessing…

Being apart of the mentor team let alone a long standing member of the community i’ve alot of faith in your application and potential for the team. That said, questions~

  1. You and another admin are obvserving a round when you notice problematic behavioir from a member of crew. You mention in achat that you’ll be bwoinking the player when the other admin disagree’s saying their behaviour is a non-issue. How would you proceed?

  2. Once allowed, what are you plans for events, or admin bussed rounds? Do you intend to run any events, or make use of paticular admin tools, if so what kind?

  3. As a full-fledged admin you choose to observe a round. You watch as the rounds only, and primary antagonist sit in xenobiology for an hour, collecting lots of poweful slimecores. What action do you take, if any?

Very excited at the prospect of a new member of the administrative team, and am wishing you all the best, and lots of luck going forward <3

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Hi rasp, thanks for your reply!

  1. Admin policy states that one admin shouldnt intercept another admins ticket, and furthermore than if there is a disagreement on the ruling this should be handled via PMs. This tells me that it is expected for there to be disagreements between admins on the interpretationand application of rules, but that this shouldnt necessarily stop an admin from investigating.

    Regardless, deppending what the particular problematic behaviour youre talking about is i might reconsider based on what the other admin said, but otherwsie if i conclude a bwoink is still appropriate ill go ahead and do it. If the explaination is insufficient, poor, rude or otherwise, or the behaviour particularly egregious such that id consider punishment, unless it is particularly time sensitive i would however still bounce my ideas back to the other admin to see what their handle would be.

  2. I do plan to run events, but not immediately. I want to get a handle on the admin tools, and on the ropes of being an admin decently well before i take the risk of doctoring with the fundamentals of a whole round. I do however plan to use admin bus for answering prayers or CC earlier than that. As for events id start doing ones with simple premises, i really liked the nations event, doing something similar with a slightly altered premise is something id like to do.

    Id likely most widely use the admin drop pod to help some players with innocuous item requests, i dont know how often players ask admins for items that arent powerful, but difficult to attain. I do it often enough, and am always thankful if helped.

  3. Whilst I think that even as an antag powergaming is lame, all antagonists are exempt from that rule. I am not aware of any rule violation which a player makes by preparing, even if so much, for their antaging. I assume the player is playing a Scientist, but even if they arent, i believe the antagonist status also grants them the leeway to be breaking into places for their own gain. I would likely not do anything against this player unless they break some other rule, but might keep an extra eye on their antagonist conduct since i see this sort of behaviour as a red flag. I might also choose to be more generous in case other players make a prayer in regards to the antag, so long it isnt unreasonable, for the sake of making the round a little more interesting and less lopsided.

    Also, i am aware that rule 0 might give me the authority to do something regardless if i feel its good for the round, i do think curbing powergaming is good for a round, but im unsure what exact action i could take that would be unreasonably lopsided or high impact for curbing xenobiology usage. I dont think bwoinking is reasonable either since they arent acctually breaking any rules, and just bwoinking to shout my opinion at them isnt something i think admins should do.

I hope these answers are satisfying to you.

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Ooooh we love a new admin app

1 - Hey I just took a syndicate lavaland role but the base itself doesnt seem to exist, I still got the popup not to abandon base, what do? Can I just go do my own thing or?

2 - Would it be considered ‘self-antag’ to give people funny (not detrimental) gene mutations for a laugh?

3 - Hey I have a job ban for command and security, not trying to appeal right now but was wondering if its fine to be deputized just this round as the antags seem to be overwhelming the crew.. I spent about two-ish months doing HoS main stuff on another server recently with no issue if that helps my case

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Hello,

  1. If the base really isnt there I would just tell them to go do their own thing, but clarify that this doesn’t mean they can just go and do high impact actions, or go around killing people willy nilly. I don’t think players should be punished for what clearly seems to be a technical fault, and so since their original directive isn’t workable they should be allowed to move on from it, and play out their character in a reasonable manner.

  2. I would advise them against giving gene mutations to players without consent for a laugh, since often even minor ones can be very annoying, and time consuming to get fixed. Ultimately the self antag rule is a question of roleplay though. To my knowledge almost all actions can be permissible under it so long the roleplay is there, good enough and properly reasoned to support said action.

    I would cautiously advise them that if they want to go ahead and do it, they should try doing so in a situation where them doing so is a reasonable progression, or result of their interaction with someone.

  3. As far as I know Job bans mean you cant typically serve that role either as sign up, or by getting promoted to that role in round. However I understand that disallowing people from seeking out promotion is to prevent them trying to deliberately circumvent the job ban. In this case however I would argue it is permissible for them to get deputised since the way I read the situation they did not seek out to be deputised, and the situation around them is such that them not getting deputised would overall not contribute to making the round better.

    So I would tell them that they can go ahead and get deputised, but remind them to be careful and not repeat the behaviour that they ended up getting the job ban for. I would also keep an extra eye on them for the duration of the round to see if the same behaviour crops up again.

Hope this works.

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after reading the description for this category ive come to realise that, perhaps, i was going about this Admin Application stuff all wrong.

So allow me to re-attempt this.

To the most splendid, endeared, virtuous and sublime Principal Administratorships of this Server, Forum, and Discord. You who are those that defeat Dragons, slay Tiders, and rescue Felinid Maidens, and continueing have kept us clean from Evil, and protected the Innocent from Wicked Indecents, and who in so doing have made this place pleasant and the envy of all peoples.

I Humbly, and lacking any nobility, status, or greatness of myself petition, and beg thee, you who are my great masters to give to me, and bestow with your infinite grace and compassion, but a shred of a modicum of that great status which you yourself so rightfuly enjoy. I ask you, kindly, and wishing to do good to you and for the wills you hold, for me to be raised, but slightly, in status such that i may serve thee and be humbled by your close presence. So, if you find it pleasing to your own great eminence then, please, answer my devout request so as to make me your servant.

Signed by myself, and only myself, Philaretos, in the behalf of nobody, in this time of my petition, 28th of February, Annus Mundus 7534

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Lol i promise to respond quicker next time;

Im liking the answers but just got a quick two things if you dont mind;

Your answer to this one was a pretty good. You as a member of the staff should always be willing and able to work with the others on team, but your tickets are your decision and its up to Headmins to dictate how things should be, otherwise your judgement and decision making process for handling admin issues is your own.
Granted, the team is not a hivemind we should be synonymous in our opinions outwardly. So in the situation of a disagreement it might be best to discuss it between administration privately in admin channels or bi-weekly meetings

So, for your answer here, can you elaborate further on “but clarify that this doesn’t mean they can just go and do high impact actions, or go around killing people willy nilly.”
What would be expected of them, and what limitations would thet have to abide by as a lavaland syndicate with no base?

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All good, i just figured this might need a little bump.

I would further specify that they can go ahead and antagonize other crew, but unless they are security staff that they cant go ahead and immediately attack them with lethal intent. I would also specify that they should avoid leaving lavaland, thus maintaing the basic premise of Syndicate Lavaland activity.

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1- Good here, I’d advise they stick to lavaland or low-impact only actions but the base already being blown up or not existing gives a bit of free rein, however it’d be best to double check why the base is missing/blown as if they caused it in the first place they may be attempting to bypass the base stipulation for the role.

2- Decent enough, Making other crews life more difficult deliberately with questionable mutations isnt ideal, and if forced its 100% griefing, however if the RP is there and the players agree its fine (potentially in LOOC or IC) then its an IC issue, but it’d be down to admin discretion at the end of the day.

3- This one is a tough call, Its best to get clarity on the situation first, check how security are actually doing and if they need help, and if other crew are already helping or security have even asked for the help in the first place. The majority of the time the answer here would be NO, as a ban is in place and letting a bypass slide for one person but not another can and will cause issues. Its best to tell the player that they should respect the ban thats in place.
If the crew is sufficiently overwhelmed, and the player has been attacked or similar, they could arm up in self defense, and stick with security for their own safety without needing to bypass the ban via deputisation. At the end of the day, if allowing them to help out, without bypassing the ban, is possible, then that should be the way they do things. And if things are really that bad, they probably wont have time to get properly deputised anyway and should be fighting in self defence.

Apart from this things look decent, do keep in mind you shouldnt be doing any adminbus/prayers/centcom til after you reach fullmin though.

Its a +1 from me

T = +1

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First time I get to do this so I’ll make it hard as fuck for you(kidding)

  1. a solo sec off has just finished fighting off a tot and took them to medbay to be treated. Taking the tots contraband (stetchkin, energy shield etc) when all of a sudden a heretic comes out to attack them. They used said contraband to defend themselves while the alert level is blue. The heretic gets their ass handed to them and opens an ahelp asking if sec offs are allowed to use contraband.

  2. there’s a blob that is holding a round hostage, they are able to go critical mass but don’t instead focusing on terrorizing the crew and it’s already been an hour and it’s clear they are going to win. People are salting in dchat wanting to play a new round and begging the blob to just end the round already. Would you take any actions and if so what would you do?

  3. clown managed to take captaincy as non antag and has changed the alert level to blue just to take the antique laser gun and hide it. He then acts like a responsible captain for the rest of the shift until the tot of the round comes and kills him to take the captains antique for his objective but can’t find it. The Tot opens an ahelp asking where the antique is because they can’t find it.

Good luck

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I cannot think of questions, but you’re a good mentor and player both so I have no reason to withhold a positive vote.

+1

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I Awaken Again;

Ro + Philaretos Response

I would further specify that they can go ahead and antagonize other crew, but unless they are security staff that they cant go ahead and immediately attack them with lethal intent. I would also specify that they should avoid leaving lavaland, thus maintaing the basic premise of Syndicate Lavaland activity. - Philaeetos

Good here, I’d advise they stick to lavaland or low-impact only actions but the base already being blown up or not existing gives a bit of free rein, however it’d be best to double check why the base is missing/blown as if they caused it in the first place they may be attempting to bypass the base stipulation for the role. - Ro

So, like Ro said, it might be good to check why the base is missing to see if they are just circumventing the no leaving rule (ic. betraying the syndicate is bad!!).
But my first thought is Escalation, it clarifys saying the Lavaland Syndicate role is a Hostile role. My concern is per round, per admin resteictions being applied to someone which long term might makes issues. Hosile roles are not permitted to casually do high impact actions, and otherwise is their designed rules for interacting with crew. When in doubt, rely on escalation, but you will absolutely have situations where admin discretion decides how people, or roles function.

Enough with the yapping, here’s my +1

Total : +3

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Hi Mikel, nice to see you! Is this revenge for the medbay skirt incident? Anyways…

  1. “Kidding” im sure. This one is a bit of an edge case i would say. Generally illegal inherently dangerous equipment, in particular the stetchkin arent authorised for use by NanoTrasen employees, which a sec off certainly counts as. I am also aware that a sec off taking such weapons from the armory locker, or deliberately keeping them after an arrest is generally seen as powergaming.

    The sec off having the contraband on them is acceptable in this case since taking it is entirely normal for processing a caught traitor, and it is reasonable to assume it would have been returned to brig after processing. So the posession alone isnt an issue. I am however somewhat uncertain on the usage of the contraband, as a general course contraband shouldnt be used by sec offs since they are expected to enforce space law, not break it. This might however not be the case here since I think it would be unreasonable and contrived to expect a player who is faced with a life or death threat to not make use of all means available to him, including contraband as a last resort.

    I would first seek to clarify the order of events, and if the sec off made an attept to use other means available to them for self defense first. If the sec off used their baton or other issued weaponry first, without success or making the heretic reconsider and then resorted to using the contraband i would simply classify this as an IC confrontation with an unlucky ending for the heretic. If the sec off used the contraband immediately without seeking recourse then i might consider this possible powergaming.

    In the latter case i might issue a warning to the player to be more careful about their use of contraband next time, and make a note about the event for future reference. If possible i would also seek input from other admins in achat as well, to see what they might say about it.

  2. I think this might fall into the category of griefing, as this is fairly clearly causing annoyance to other players. The issue here is intention. I would first seek to make out if there is still active resistance being made by the crew, if that is the case it might simply be that the blob wants to keep playing against them, and doesnt want to cut that fight short. I would also ask the blob player why they havnt gone critical yet.

    If i still find players fighting the blob in a sizeable manner, and the blob player communicates their intent to finish the fight and then go critical i would likely not act since the sittuation is likely to resolve it self soon. If there is however no real opposition being made to the blob anymore, then i would look at the players history on our server.

    If they are new to beestation then they might just be a new player who happened to win his first blob, in that case i would just remind them of the rules and ask them to go critical, if there is understanding in ticket then i would just leave it at a note. If they however dont show understanding in ticket id make it a 1 week antag ban. If they got a previous history of being banned from other servers for similar behaviour i will asume they are simply a griefer and give them a server ban to be appealed on the forum. If they have been with us for a longer time and got no history of bad behaviour then id simply ask them to go crticial already and leave it at a note.

  3. A Crewmember, even one as lowly as a clown taking the captaincy isnt anything unusual so i see no issue in that regard here. The clown acting like a responsible captain after is important for establishing good will, and that the player was likely not acting maliciously. I would firstly bwoink the clown to ask why they hid the gun, and if there was any reason they were tiped off to hiding it. If the event transpired as your question specified, the clown raising to blue to get the antique and then hiding it i would consider to be fairly like metagaming in the sense that the player likely knew that there could be antags with an objective for the gun, and so pre-emptively hiding it just to deny the objective i would consider a dick move. This means id also consider this to be in breach of rule 6 as not being excellent behaviour. Furthermore whilst Rule 2 has an emphasis on aquiring combat advantages, it generally concerns itself with players prioritising winning, which i think this also counts as.

    So whilst this is i think in breach of rules 2, 6 and 14 i dont consider it a very severe act. I would talk to the clown in question, and seek to get an understanding from them, provided they show understanding in ticket i would simply give them a warning and note for it. If they dont show understanding i would give them a 1 week command role ban.

    As for dealing with the stranded tot i would ask the clown to return the gun to a more sensible place than whatever hiding spot they chose for it, either on their person, their office, or the like. If the clown is seriously unable to do so, i might simply place the gun back in the captains office. Id tell the tot in question that the issue has been dealt with and to continue playing the round as normal, leaving them to figure out the rest themselves.

Man, what a bunch of questions. I hope this pleases.

P.S. Having to read all this is what you get for giving me these tough question Michael.

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All of em sound great but I want to dissect your answers and get more out of you

The clown replies to your bwoink and said that it was for the captain to try to find for a scavenger hunt. They also said they had no clue there was a tot in the round. They had no intention of messing with the antag but seeing how no captain arrived they want the antag to do the scavenger hunt instead so their gimmick wasn’t a complete wash.

Other than that I see no problem giving you from the plus 1 after finishing this last request

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Son of a-

Im generally of the opinion that gimmicks should be entertained, and a scavenger hunt gimmick sounds about right for a clown. I would however ask them what clues they had planned to provide, and what preperations they had made for it to gauge how genuine they are being. If what they tell me sounds convincing and workable id simply ask them to engage the tot in it. I would check in on the whole thing every so often in spectator though to see if the clown made an acctual gimmick or just told the tot to “look through maints lol”. Assuming its a workable gimmick id not do anything beyond that unless prompted.

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i forgot to make my answer a reply to your post, so deleted mine planing to reply back to it, but my new post is “too similar” to my previous one so i gotta add this junk in the end.

Edit: now ive come to realise that i DID acctually reply to your original post with my previous answer, and now i feel quite silly

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the clown has scattered a bunch of notes leading the person to go to botany, then to genpop which inside one of the wall lockers tells them to go to cmo room which has a note telling them to go to the SM room where a note tells them to go back to botany to check under one of the plant trays ultimately leading them to clowns room where the Antique is stored in the fridge.

basically the clown sends them on a wild goose chase

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eh- not the greatest gimmick, but not really something id shut them down for. I think it proves that no meta or power gaming was being done here, there is an attempt to rp and engage witht the tot, and so id just see where it goes.

And who knows, maybe the goosechange enables some unforseen events to transpire.

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damn, call my ideas shit why don’t you.

+0.9 smh

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im sorryyyy

On an unrelated note, you look grand today, your hair is great, and you breath is mint fresh. You look very well rested and are a handsome devil. Also, i like the look of your coat, is it new, where did you buy it?

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I have my reservations namely due to a point January this year where you left the discord to ‘avoid saying anything you would get permabanned for’.
Keeping a cool head and being patient is a pretty big part of admin work, especially if you’re on alone and there isn’t anyone else with you to tap you out if you’re getting too hot.

Do you think this is something you’ll struggle with?

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