MCrideinspace week ban - archanial

Ban Appeals Game Appeals
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CKEY: mcrideinspace

Admin’s CKEY: archanial

Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: both

Which server did the ban happen on? mrp

Ban Type: server

Ban Length: week

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 01/12/2020

Round ID: 24589

Ban Reason: Validhunted nightmare with flamethrower as assistant. Also lit captain on fire which directly resulted in his death.

Appeal Reason: I disagree

I late join as assistant, shuttle gets called a few minutes in because nightmare is slaughtering engineering, I go over to engi and start pulling dead bodies back to medbay (about 4-5) while batting the nightmare away with the help of a few other crew members

The nightmare attacks me 3-4 times, I manage to run away each time usually with a body or two in tow, to which I clone/drop the dead bodies off and go back to get more.

In my ongoing fight with the nightmare (alongside crew members) I build a flamethrower, with a minute left im in escape and the nightmare is in maint near escape picking off crew members, I see someone get dragged into maint, run in and try to isolate the nightmare and spray it down with fire, in the ensuing chaos the captain dies to the fire and i lose a arm and narrowly escape thanks to getting pulled on board by the CMO.

It seems pretty doo-doo to call this ‘validhunting’

I was escelating based on direct threats that where faced to me during the round, I didnt hear about a nightmare and go directly to building a bomb to kill it; I was initially just trying to build something so that if the nightmare ambushed me again i’d have something to defend myself with.

archanial suggested in the ahelp that I should have let security handle it, but if you check the logs I literally was dragging dead security officers and injured ones out of the nightmares reach; I literally saw them fall too it. ICly there where no other lines left of defence. I didnt go out of my way to hunt the nightmare, it was in escape as I was trying to escape, posing a direct obstacle for my escape.

I do admit the collateral damage of the captain was unfortunate but sometimes its unavoidable when faced with a high risk threat

If we want to get more into the validhunting arguement

“Why where you in engineering to begin with?”

I had a crew objective to get insulated gloves, I checked maint, both tool storage + vending machines with no luck, so I walked over to engineering to see if I could get some from someone working there.

“Why did you have a flamethrower?”

I had been attacked 3-4 times and watched the nightmare kill at least 8+ people, faced with all the dying bodies my focus was on cloning as many people as I could, oftentimes the nightmare would attack me while I had 2 dying people in tow and i’d have to shove it away while running. Since the dead bodies where all in engi/atmos it lead me there while looking for bodies, light being one of the only counters to nightmares I built one there in case it ambushed me.

I hope you can see my intentions where good this round and I was trying to keep as many people alive as I could, even when I used the flamethrower I ran into maint which was less crowded as oppossed to just letting it fly in escape. A week ban seems extreme for friendly fire; which is an expected part of playing SS13

Additional Information:

have we really got to the point where defending yourself against an antag is validhunting?

:flushed:

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Using a flamethrower is bruh momento at worst, and shouldve been solved ic.

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some clarification if the ban is more because the captain died as a result of my flamethrower (he ran in to kill the nightmare too, right as I started to flamethrower the nightmare in maint)

my results did lead to the nightmare dying as well, but I wasnt going out of my way to hunt the thing down, it was literally in escape as the escape shuttle was docking :flushed:

also if its because the cap died i really cant see how it would have been hard for him to get treated/extingush himself, I lost a leg and ran out of maint on fire and still managed to put the fire out and get healed by the crew

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An assistant with a flamethrower, a miner with gamer gear and a chaplain with traitor items were fighting the nightmare.

Guess who gets banned for validhunting

But seriously, I too would like also some clarification for the ban because I was there with everyone else fighting the nightmare

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The only reason i see that would make this ban valid would be the use of a flamethrower which causes a lot of collateral damage

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The fire was contained into maint as well, a few people got touched by the fire and put themselves out but in my opinion it was really the caps fault for over commiting to a fight while on fire, he could have ran out and put himself out of fire, as when the flaming happened I ran into maint after him and managed to isolate the nightmare by pushing him down maint, the cap had time to escape behind me but pressed forward.

Might I add I was injured myself before the fight started and I even managed to retreat and put myself out, the cap would have been able to do the same.

I took effort to avoid colleteral damage as best as I could, unfortunatly with nightmares it requires you to react quickly as they can just phase shift away, you need to suprise them

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so nightmares are allowed to randomly murderbone as they please but they cannot be killed? Is it powergaming/validhunting to kill nukies? to kill revs as a head?

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I do see your point but honestly what is the point in even having flamethrowers other than as an antag only weapon, when it just leads to you getting banned automaticly for using them?

They are literally one of the only counters to a nightmare, they counter its powers by putting it on fire and prevent it from just jumping away as it will still take damage while on fire.

I accidently killed one person while likely saving countless of other peoples lives

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If the logs confirm this and his description is accurate, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that considers this valid hunting and the ban/note deserves a review. If the actions match, assistants cloning dead and fighting an existential threat with improvised weapons aren’t really something worth punishing.

This sounds like it could have just been misread/had details overlooked while the tickets were adding up - and I hate valid hunting.

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lol

Nightmare attacked people in escape then when they retaliated it run away to maints to heal. You followed it and used the flamethrower setting it, captain and miner (fortunately in fireproof armor) on fire, which resulted in you and captain dying.
I don’t know how you can with straight face call it not validhunting when you were the one following it in that instance.
If you want to have a fight with it choose weapon that does not kill your allies, especially captain.

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also nightmare did not die

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I didnt die, I survived the flame attack, I detailed that in the appeal.

I didnt even realize they followed me in, I didnt assume they would run into a fire to kill something; furthermore when I ran into maint I pushed it above to below the morgue and had it cornered, which is where I gave it the rest of the fire.

Because I didnt go out of my way to run around the station trying to find it to kill, I saw it attacking someone and reacted, big difference.

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I later saw it dead on the escape shuttle, I assumed it was the result of my fire but I never conformed the kill as I had to focus on not dying after the fire

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Fastmos is fastmos and plasma spreads. You lit whole maints on fire. Nightmare survived your attack and got lynched on shuttle.
More importantly captain and miner did not survive your flamethrower.
I am not inclined to lift that.

making flamethrower and filling it with plasma is not going out of your way to hunt the nightmare?

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making a self defence weapon after being attacked by a nightmare and noticing the fire extingusher you have isnt good enough agaisnt a phase shifting attacker who can delimb/kill you in 2-3 hits?

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also a week ban for a desperation play against a murderboning antag is pretty shitty ngl

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This is at maximum an overreaction, the ban doesnt warrant a week!! Of not playing. Its at best a day or two because captain died, nothing else suggests any foul play.

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your info is confusing, can you clarify it with logs?

you are contradicting yourself, I survived the fire; I didnt even see a miner in any of what happened and also I really dont see how I should take all the blame because someone decided to follow me into a onfire maint to kill a nightmare, I didnt spring the fire on people, they ran into the fire.

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Don’t think being set on fire is logged but I’m gonna clarify.

Miner had champions hardsuit (which is fireproof) and was eventually robusted by nightmare.
Captain burned to death while being hit my nightmare.
You managed to escape.

Yes you didn’t but you lit whole chapel’s maint on fire which (thank god) didn’t spread to departures.