In-game misconduct: allowing a security officer to murder and clone me to get rid of a c4 thats was stripped to me.
CKEY: doktorwueue
Your Discord: wueue
Offender’s CKEY: Marshmellow10
Offender’s In-Game Name (if relevant): not relevant
Date (YYYY-MM-DD): 2024-04-08
Round Number: 48282
Rules Broken (if relevant): admin conduct _
Part of Admin/Mentor Conduct Broken (if relevant): ( rule 0 or IC punishments?)
Incident Description: so i was a traitor moth with c4 strapped to me with a extremly long timer.
i get beaten up by Vasiliy Ambrosimov and tried to be spaced( i think bombyx bwoinked them for this)
i bleed out, die and are brought to medbay by kehtleen where i am revived.
i head back to security to assist further with the mime situation ( the det hired me to help out with this)
when i arrive and get back the syringe gun for the mime the security officer tries to stop and arrest me. i then try to expalin the situation but they dont listen and vasily shoots me which leads to a chase ( i also shoot the syringe gun but miss any of the two officer entirely) which ends up in my capture.
Vasili then wants to kill and clone me to remove my bomb which i tell him via LOOC not to do.
i then get told over LOOC thats a admin approved it which i question. ( i ahelp the situation but i get told by marshmellow thats they allowed this) which i find quite too much.
so i feel this ruling was not ok and after it was confirmed via ticket i said IC fuck you( which was bad on my part and i am sorry for this) to vasili when he started beating me to death and ghosted.
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You shouldnt be using LOOC to tell people what to do IC, if there is a rules issue, you should ahelp (Which you did later).
When I noticed him killing you with sub-par RP and trying to space you, I stopped him straight away, explained why it was wrong, and what he could have done instead. I suggested that he speak to you and attempt to get you to agree to be cloned so they could dispose of the explosive strapped to you, and added that if you wouldnt go along, it would be fair to use reasonable force to detain you in order to get rid of the bomb.
So he did that, and when you ahelped it I explained that there was no other way to remove the live, active bomb from your person other than that, and that a reasonable security officer would probably do that.
I understand you’re angry (as you showed by DC’ing mid ticket and mentioning it in msay) but dont take this personally.
Spacelaw advises in the case of a bomb threat in which case it may not be safe to approach and apprehend a suspect, you lethal them to apprehend them.
Speaking to and later arresting you to remove the bomb is reasonable in my opinion with this SOP in mind.
Also, as I checked after, there appears to be no way to see the timer of C4 strapped to someone, so if you hadnt explicitly told him then there is no chance he would know it had a long timer.
Sorry you feel this way.
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Yeah, sorry my bad. Arrived as only officer with AI screaming that mime went full gamer mode. Come to brig, see destroyed armory and bombstrapped moth nearby that tells me that they’re helping mime. I kinda lost my shit at the moment and didn’t even know what to roleplay/do.
I would recommend completing the report form properly if you want your report to be considered seriously. The ‘admin conduct broken’ field is missing and this is an admin conduct report with no clear indication as to which part of the conduct was broken.
Since this is probably a report for rule 0 admin discretion accountability (in terms of the admin granting perimssion to a security officer to kill/clone), it is important to note that there is no other way to remove a C4 from someone other than by changing their body.
i fixed it thinkign what parts i think were broken.
@Calicomp i think i told you infront of the armory i am helping security agaisnt the mime.
Then I misunderstood the situation. My bad.
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maybe i just said it really weirdly IC . unsure anymore.
Alrighty, apologies for taking so long to look into this we really should’ve gotten to the report earlier 
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So from what I can tell this ticket is what the report is about. Now first and foremost as Marshmellow already said, you should not be using LOOC to tell people what to do IC. LOOC is not there for salting.
From your comment here it it appears to me that you are not happy about Marsh giving their okay to the cloning.
But killing you and then cloning you is mechanically the only way to get rid of the bomb. You were a personal risk due to having a bomb strapped to yourself. You shot the security officers with a syringe gun and evaded arrest prior to that as well.
I don’t think the decision taken in the ticket here is wrong, simply because mechanically the only way to get rid of the bomb is to clone and kill you. (Which honestly should be changed somehow) And from a roleplay perspective; you were a moth with a bomb strapped to you that could’ve exploded at any moment. And on top of that you’ve shown that you were not friendly towards security in the past. I don’t think them acting how they did when they got you cloned is unreasonable either. You can’t expect other people to act friendly when you’ve shown to be antagonistic and have a literal bomb strapped to you. That would make no IC character sense either.
I agree with the decision taken by @Marshmellow here.
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