Johny Rattler player report

CKEY: Bleueue

Your Discord: Bleue

Offender’s CKEY: Forgedinfire (allegedly)

Offender’s In-Game Name: Johny Rattler (might be off from memory

Date (YYYY-MM-DD): 2024-10-29

Round Number: 50493

Rules Broken: 1, 7, 12

Incident Description: I report the crime of another officer, though it was really minor. Anxiety stays past her welcome by the HoS, at which point he tries multiple times to brig her for different crimes. Once for loitering in front of security while she’s trying to talk to the Warden. (he spraypainted the windows black prior so she couldn’t) From there he tries to throw her out, she refuses, the warden is still trying to talk to her, she tries to talk to them. He tries to distract the warden with different things, she eventually gets let into the warden’s office to talk about these things. She gets kicked out twice by him, even though the warden is dragging her in and letting her in there. She leaves when he tells her to both times. This isn’t really a problem, until he demands Walter (yes, the dog). It’s important to note that Marina gave her the dog and is stating that she gave her the dog. At this point, he demands she give walter back or be brigged. She says no, Marina says do it (and that she has a plan), and she does get brigged. For 18 minutes. Marina goes to get the captain and explain that the HoS has unlawfully arrested Anxiety. Eventually the captain says something about a second strike, and anxiety is released. There’s a lot more to this on Raspberry’s incident, but I don’t feel like I can explain it all. I’m not him. It’s the same round, so it should fall under the same report. Same behavior and such. I believe one of these rules is just for what he did to raspberry (you must roleplay)

Additional Information: There were two incidents in the same round, rounding this whole report out. Raspberry was also affected, and they’re gonna comment all that happened in their incident. I added more context I forgot to give.

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You were in a secure area and asked to surrender a dog, when you didn’t you were arrested for trespassing in said secure area.

What makes this not IC?

Don’t take this wrong, but I don’t see an ooc issue reading this.

Maybe more context would help.

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I was not in a secure area. I was outside of sec after being asked to leave. He then demanded the dog the warden gave me. I was brigged for 18 minutes. Again, a lot of this is Raspberry, and maybe even some the AI (xeon) can add. I was probably the lesser of this, but combined it adds a behavioral pattern.

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I was the AI this round, so i can provide my point of view of this entire incident rapport. Though I was on asimov, so I did not question nor stop the majority of what they were doing due to them both not being human and their actions affecting nonhumans.

However, I was able to see during that round:

  • The HOS set up a fucking guillotine right outside the brig. And a skeleton almost chop their own head off because of that.
  • Arrest anxiety for theft for… 18 minutes?
  • Spend the majority of the shift bickering with the captain and Anxiety instead of commanding the department with one of the miners actively murdering an officer at the time.
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Hiya !

So, please forgive me for any misremembering, or bias that may stem from my comment but hopefully it give’s my perspective on the case;

So, The Real Captain (Varo) grabs me near round start and puts me in a locker, obviously i like the player and am more then willing to play this game for fun so I go along with it! We get to AI sat, where after a bit of flirting and trying to hug the AI to no avail… (╥﹏╥)
Its time to skiddale however, and Varo puts me in a locker, back in a tp and we are in bridge! I see the Captain, say hi and wave to them, Varo comes in, we build a couch, start building a shower when HoS comes in. Now, it should be noted that Varo did joke about independence, and I think i did too though it wasn’t mentioned by them to my knowledge. But HoS comes in, and while they might have talked to Varo, and telling us that we cant be here I get instant disabled, knocked down WITHOUT EVEN GETTING TO USE MY SHOWER and dragged over to brig. While in the proccess of proccessing me and having pie fingered off his face and licked (by me) he tells me something about how im getting executed. I then hear from The Real Captain something along the lines of “WHY HAS RASPBERRY BEEN JAILED FOR 18 MINUTES??”. And I mean I tried to have my best fun there, having shower rp, cuddle rp all that jazz but a guillotine was built, and apparently permission was given to use it though they started arguing as my sentence was up and was time to go.

I very much understand that by definition I was in violation of space law 309, though I cannot agree with the spirit of it. It even makes a point to mention that clowns doing a funny aren’t to be held to this, so I who would’ve been more then willing to leave, but was never given the opportunity to, and was without any interaction from my memory towards the security on their end just jailed for 18 minutes and told i was getting executed.
I had a good round, but that doesnt change what happened and I feel iffy about it, so any consideration by the powers that bee in regards to it is appreciated. And of course if there’s anything more i can add or mention please let me know

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I’d like to add that on the round Anxiety reporting the HoS was the Acting Captain and they decided to surrender it to a Psychiatrist named Alberto Merryman. I don’t think that really makes sense IC.

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Anxiety kept coming back into security and being let in by Marina who was the warden even when I told both of them they should not enter as they have no reason for it. Marina kept tussling with me by fining me, trying to get the captain on me and setting me to arrest once (Although I just think it was them). Marina was already troublesome as a warden since I had to demote them the previous round for using Krav Maga on me unprovoked. The dog was given out by Marina without reason and Anxiety did not want to give it back. Marina told me to procede with the arrest and then twisted it by getting a one sided conversation with the captain so Anxiety got released.

Raspberry and clown were reported by the captain for being inside the bridge and that “AI let them in”. Captain wanted them trespassed, so I gave Raspberry a countdown and they only said they are not trespassing because it’s “their land” so I just jailed them. I picked out the 309 charge and clicked on resisting arrest as they were being told they were being trespassed and ignored it. The guillotine wasn’t built by me, but by some engineer who suggested making a vote for public execution. I went ahead with the joke and made the announcement and told Raspberry they were being executed, but did not go through with it and it only lead to Marina once again disobeying and letting clown and Raspberry go before their timers were up.

I had no one else to pick as captain. Another admin told me before that it would have to be non-security staff and a random person, since making a vote or election for it will lead to me giving captain to antags. Psychiatrist was the best choice.

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I was the one who was appointed captain. While that whole thing probably could have been handled better and you probably should have focused more on the miner/nightmare instead of arguing with marina, I don’t think anything was on the level of a report or OOC interference. I do think that it probably would’ve been better to just demote the warden for insubordination instead of brigging anxiety for the warden not listening to you. The execution “joke” came across in round as not much of a joke from my perspective and that was why I in round sided more with marina. It also came off as you just straight up lying as you kept talking about clown stealing your gun combined with the guillotine so I thought you were trying to argue for capital theft of your HOS gun when he only took a disabler.

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I would say about 70-80% of the points mentioned here are IC issues

This is subjective, if it isn’t funny to the security officer, he is well within his means to arrest you.
In fact, wagging ‘WELL MY SOP SAYS I CAN DO PRANKS HERE’ infront of a security officer IC is usually not funny and you will promptly get your shit kicked in.

Its the wardens dog, if they want to give them out, that is their choice.

I agree.

Lots of this boils down to IC issues that resulted in maximum timer sentences with not much to warrant it, but I’ll be looking into the logs and making my own conclusion there.

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There is some substance to this report, and I have come to a verdict, but unfortunately my internet sucks farts so I cant post my findings on my computer and will not retype all of it onto mobile.

I will go to sleep and resolve this tomorrow.

Speaking as though from IC perspectives, I krav maga’d you because (if I recall correctly) you pointed your gun at me while threatening me with arrest for insurbordination because I didn’t role call the exact way you wanted me to (I said you could check the crew manifest tab on your PDA if you wanted to see the roles).

(As an extra note, I just want to say that I didn’t really have any quarrel with this personally and thought it was amusing, and it was nice seeing IC conflict inside of sec of all places since it usually never happens due to probably the OOC/meta aspects relating to sec.)

One final bit i’d like to add:

Marina was already troublesome as a warden since I had to demote them the previous round for using Krav Maga on me unprovoke

Each shift is unique and new, i suggest you do not carry grudges from previous shifts, just because you had an altercation with Marina(or whoever might be) on X round doesn’t need to carry into the next one or any future one.

Well, in reality you should’ve been the acting Captain and could’ve promoted other players to Acting head of staff if they requested it, i won’t question the admin decision considering our Chain of Command i don’t know why you believe making a vote or an election would’ve lead to you giving it to an antag, if anything you randomly choosing the Psychiatrist could’ve doomed you/the station since the Psychiatrist could easily be an antag, everyone but the Heads of Staff and Security can roll antag(though these can also roll Obsessed) in any case i don’t think you should approach everything with meta-protection or OOC knowledge, i’ve seen some talks on Discord on people that have been displeased with you as the way you are as HoS as Kathy and the skeleton, and since you don’t have a feedback thread i’ll take the chance to say it here: Sometimes it’s nice to give some leeway to the antags and to not punish them with the harshest timer, i’ve personally had to stop you three times on different ocassions because you were sending people to lavaland where it’s… very boring to be there, try to consider the other players and the gimmicks they might have and even take a step back and see how others do Command or Security.

In the round that Marina and you mentioned, which would be 50492 you demoted her SIX minutes into the round because she didn’t said her job and while that ended up sparking some conflict where you even lost your gun to them, you might need to approach these stuff being mindful of the other person because not everyone could take advantage of that IC conflict scenario and might get upset because they really wanted to play that job and just RP’d their character in a certain way.

That’s all i can add to the report, cheers.

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Unsure of the round ID, however I did open an ahelp around 17:30-18:00ish GMT - 2024/10/29.

The whole shift the warden (Johny) was shouting, being rude, and unpleasant to work with. Ignoring the Acting Cap (The HoS) whilst also constantly shouting at them when there was an attempt at some “election” roleplay between the HoS and Taylor the QM. It was on green alert they opened the armory and printed a boat load of buckshot, incendiary and slugs. I was asking for the level to be raised saying I wouldn’t grab a gun unless it was raised (Only threat at the time was spiders). I got told to “Cry Harder” or something along the lines of it, then got told because I wouldn’t take a gun while on green alert due to SOP “You’re not allowed a gun”.

I went to return my equipment and was going to quit and ask for a new job (I ended up cryoing because I was OOC frustrated at them after it all) but they then followed me arround berating me a bit more when I was returning my equipment to a vendor to which I disablered them and cuffed them for breaking SOP and being insufferable to work alongside. I will 100% admit, shit of me to do and will happily take a note / sec ban for it.

However, this behaviour just seems to be consistent with other reports and discussions on discord that I thought I’d mention it here too.

To go off of what Fronsis said. You are genuinely insufferable to play with, you lack 0 fun, you just SHOUT all the time and act like you’re the main character. I personally haven’t encountered Kathy in character much as I play a human, but I’ve saw what you’ve done to other races when you do play them and it’s a bit more than “My character is racist”. You come across as more of an antag that the actual antags. Your character lacks depth, they’re just frustrating and boring. Theres a difference between roleplaying a harsh HoS / Sec officer (or any job) and someone that just seems to enjoy being a huge pain in the ass. It constantly feels like you toe the line of knowing what can’t get you banned or acting enough so that it’s an “IC” issue. It feels like you know what you’re doing surrounding that.

Please do better.

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You in fact did not offer a chance to surrender at all. You walked in, said ‘YOU ARE TRESPASSING’ and immediately opened fire.

Reviewing your logs for the round, I have a few things to touch base with you about.

The HOS is expected to perform at a higher standard than a security officer, which includes following your SOP

When making an arrest, you should at the very least try to offer a single chance to surrender. You failed to do this twice this round, and in both instances where you jumped to shooting people in the face, you added resisting to their timer when they never had a chance to comply in the first place.

Your priorities as a HOS

Let me preface this: this is not explicitly against the rules, I am speaking to you as a fellow security player. In the past two days I have heard of this same situation happening three times with you. If you aren’t following, I mean going so hard on suspects that your own officers try to tell you to chill out, and then you end up going off at them and fighting whilst there are very present issues that require your attention. In this round for example, your officer was killed and you were too busy arguing over a dog and someone being allowed in the wardens office.

Overall, try to not jump the gun so fast, and remember your SOP when playing a head. I understand as much as anyone that ‘clown in bridge heeheehaahaa’ is not funny in the slightest, but screaming ‘YOU ARE TRESPASSING’ then shooting them in face leaves no room for roleplay in a situation where you don’t need to rush.

And lastly, don’t add on resisting so easily, neither of these people had a chance to surrender to arrest and you charged both of them with it.

Remember, each extra minute you add on out of spite is one minute of another real human beings time where they are excluded from the rest of the station, so try to only do it when it is truly deserved.

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