Honkhonkclown banned by Kasual for excessive time

Ban Appeals Game Appeals
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CKEY: Honkhonkclown

Admin’s CKEY: Kasual

Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: Perma

Ban Type: Game

Ban Length: Perma

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 3/12/2020

Round ID: 13391

Ban Reason: Used BoH bomb glitch revealed by Rublax. Tried to act dumb saying they were in crit and didn’t know how it happened. They responded to the thread with a video detailing how it is done earlier today.

Appeal Reason: I fully expected to be banned for this since I wasn’t antag but I feel that a perma ban for something that is 2 weeks when combined with deliberate metagrudge and ghost role abuse but alone with no other combined offense is a perma doesn’t make any sense.

Additional Information: I was clown, got on shuttle and got bum rushed by a golem whose (I think nonantag) creator had ordered him to kill me earlier in round over basically nothing who then respawned into a new golem shell after dying to me and metamemed me on shuttle. I shotgunned golem since I had been cloned and had no clown mutation at that point from mutadoning the cloning defects and some other engi came up behind me and axed me in the back. I had the BoH dialogue open from the rublax thing and was originally planning to detonate it at centcomm but got pissed off at the engi and clicked proceed early and detonated. I deserved a ban but perma is retarded given the precedent for worse bans involving the same offense + more that was literally set yesterday. Also of note is another thing to be patched out alongside the BoH glitch is that you can’t respond to ahelps while the dialogue for anything else is open such as BoH or suicide or the camera console menu etc so I had to click through the menu to respond to an unrelated ahelp over some guy that I killed for trying to kill me right out of cloning earlier.

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I think 14 days or so is reasonable considering that this offense + metagame/metacomms is that long but if kasual feels like tacking on an extra week or whatever because I tried to bamboozle him he can do that but perma is just cringe.

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also if any logs are necessary (they probably shouldn’t be, not contesting the facts of the situation just the punishment) could someone look at Arlen Pavlov’s actions? they were I think nonantag and ordered their golem to kill me for no reason then that same golem (idk who they actually were) metagamed and respawned and killed me again on shuttle which led to me suicide bombing in the first place

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I also want to note that by the standards that exist if Rublax gets 14 days for worse and he at the time was though to have done the same time intentionally, why is it only considered permaban grief when I do it not premeditated as an attempt at grief but as a kneejerk reaction to a self antag killing me but not when he does it seemingly as part of a metagrudge and grief attempt and only gets 14 days for the combined offenses?

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Also I just realized that the way I used it actually didn’t make any difference if the spaghetti code works like I think it works. Since the menu being open is enough to detonate it, it doesn’t matter if I had one or two bohs on me so essentially the extra ban length for the fact that I opened the menu ahead of time is dumb because I didn’t use the glitch to remotely detonate it like Rublax did so I gained no ability that I wouldn’t have gained from just having two BoHs at once since if I had instead held onto both and clicked the prompt at the same time it would’ve had the same impact. So banning me for an exploit that I didn’t really take true advantage of is dumb since the perma is for REMOTE DETONATION not detonation period and I’m pretty sure the spaghetti code is such that the menu being open lets you detonate it even if you’re a ghost so I didn’t even use any exploit for remote detonation since there was no remote detonation and I had the bag that exploded on my person

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The fact that it’s activateable while in crit is a whole separate bit of spaghetticode from the fact that there’s no distance limit or check for who’s holding the bag that explodes. The bag that exploded was on my back anyway.
Now that I’ve seen the announcement that the exploit that is being punished is specifically the ability to use a BoH like a maxcap with a signaller and detonate from range, I didn’t even use that BoH exploit since I detonated a BoH that was on my person and didn’t nuke someone from across the hall like Rublax did

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Here are the logs from the ticket.

> [2020-03-13 00:42:54.480] GAME: Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes) detonated a bag of holding at (Emergency Shuttle (209, 140, 2)).
> [2020-03-13 00:42:54.483] GAME: Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes) has died (BRUTE: 86, BURN: 11.3, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0) (Emergency Shuttle (209, 140, 2))
> [2020-03-13 00:43:21.467] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kasual/(Kasual Greene)->Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes): God damn man. Whyd you BoH bomb?
> [2020-03-13 00:43:52.920] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): how did it detonate tho I only had one boh and the second one wasn't inhand since I got critted
> [2020-03-13 00:44:05.543] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): shouldn't have been able to go off in crit, I was gonna set it off after I docked
> [2020-03-13 00:44:31.232] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): you can't set a boh bomb to go off while in crit so I honestly don't know how it went off from crit after that guy axed me
> [2020-03-13 00:44:31.814] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kasual/(Kasual Greene)->Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes): Dont give me that. We all know how it works with Rublax posting the bug earlier. In a thread that you responded to earlier
> [2020-03-13 00:44:44.550] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): well unga was gonna die anyway
> [2020-03-13 00:44:59.762] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): cringe ass was gonna kill me so I said fuck it and killed him
> [2020-03-13 00:45:22.482] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): some rando engi came at me and went for the crit with an axe so I just suicided him
> [2020-03-13 00:45:52.504] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): also I physically couldn't respond to your ahelp unless I clicked out of that box because of the way dialogue boxes work
> [2020-03-13 00:46:09.942] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Honkhonkclown/(Recreational McNukes)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): the ahelp window didn't open when I clicked ur name because there was already a dialogue box open

[edited out my misunderstanding] You used a known glitch/exploit to hard grief. The fact that you had the prompt window up when I bwoinked you for an earlier issue, and the fact you even had the bags to begin with shows intent. You commenting on Rublax’s thread shows you knew exactly what you were doing, and regardless of reason, chose to detonate it on the emergency shuttle as a non-antag before round end.

On top of that you tried to immediately act like you had no idea what happened, openly admitting above you were trying to deceive with it. You were you using a known glitch to bomb a shuttle when in crit, and more specifically to avoid any accountability for doing it. Bombing the shuttle alone like that should be a long ban when done by a knowledgeable player. Using an exploit to try and lie to get away with it makes it way worse.

Further you have nearly 400 hours and are a mentor. Like I’ve said before, I hold experienced players/staff to a higher standard. Since the start of February you have gotten the following.

  • Ban for bypassing filter (again)
  • 1 Week ban for setting up and using an infinite loop
  • OOC 3 day ban for spaming copypastas after being told not to
  • 1 note for metagrudging
  • 1 note for claiming validity and killing someone without evidence

These are the most recent of 3 pages of notes. To reiterate you are a senior player and a member of staff on a new player friendly server. You along with other prominent people in the community set expectation for other just getting into the server.

[edited out my misunderstanding] All of this is in addition to the basic bombing of the emergency shuttle which ruined the round for any living on the server, prevented at least one antag from greentexting, and was done knowing full well you would deserve a ban.

If this is not what we give out permanent bans for, then I have no idea what they are for.

P.S.
Arlen was a traitor who had completed half their objectives. Don’t shift focus away. If there is an issue with another player make a report.

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I never admitted to metagrudge that was me talking about rublax metagrudging where did I say it was metagrudge

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You’re right, I misread that. Ill edit that line out of my response.

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Where did I admit to metagrudge on MY part and not his/the golems? also if the golem attacked me after spawning into a new shell thats still knowledge of a past life

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Suprise suprise another warrior of democracy is banned for a unjust time

@GameAdmin when will this end?

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and also the crit part I’m not sure if is even the same exploit or even an exploit at all, certain menus are interactable in crit. I did lie about it because I wasn’t sure and was afraid of a really overkill ban for just the BoH by itself which is wrong but I don’t think its the same exploit really. The Rublax exploit is to remotely set it off from a place you’re not, changing it to a maxcap essentially. The thing I did was to set it off in crit, which is more like a grenade with a crit sensor and is still boh bombing, but not an exploit. You’ve been able to do that for like years since boh bombing got added and the menu worked that way and I was referring to being able to mass bomb the station when a ghost since I think the exploit allows you to set it off as ghost given that being dead doesn’t close the menu and that would let a traitor remotely detonate multiple BoHs they’ve queued up from the grave

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I will admit to lying and I will admit to using an overkill method to defend against the guy with the axe but I will dispute that I used the exploit being described as that exploit is REMOTE DETONATION not detonating a bomb on your person. If you’re just gonna say whatever still counts stay perma’d well fuck it I’m going to play boomerstation or some shit

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also some of those notes as justification for a permaban are flimsy and why I hate notes in general. Lets see here. Filter (Retarded system and shouldn’t even apply to msay which is about as open to the public as shitposting in a private discord channel), ““metagrudging”” bullshit note from since demoted Zesko who’s known for being a metagrudging shitmin himself and applied that for me chainflashing Zoey for announcing really fucking cringe standard zoey type shit over announcements console and not any significant game changing level of metameme. OOC ban, not really even “spam” was the first copypasta I had sent in OOC that entire round and the rest was IC handled. The only actually relevant ban here is the loop thing.

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and the other two pages are largely the same. Mostly memey shit like vox spam or filter bans or bans from disgraced admins known for shitmining like Zodrak

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thats why notes suck ass, the number not the quality of the notes are what matter to most cringemins where it’s “muh x pages” and not "oh hey half these notes are utterly retarded or for meme shit that isn’t even worth a ban

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I know you did not use it to remote detonate. I am saying you used a bug to detonate a boh bomb while in crit with the purpose of having an excuse for it not being your fault. It is exploiting the bug not for the remote effect, but exploiting the chance I may not have known about it to get away with griefing, which is worse IMO.

I’m standing by ban and length after reading your many responses. I’ll leave the thread open for other admins’ opinions.

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Kink

King honkhonkhonk

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Spammed forums and discord with rage and goatse. Locking thread. RIP