[Fronsis] Noted by [Megaddd]

CKEY: Fronsis

Admin’s CKEY: Megaddd

Ban Type: Note

Ban Length: Permanent

Ban Date (YYYY/MM/DD/): 2022-10-27 04:43:18

Round ID: Unknown

Ban Reason:

Appeal Reason:
Alright i know this is a two year old minor note but upon seeing it and discussing it for a bit i realized that i don’t think it should be there in the first place, i don’t see what ‘‘incident’’ is being recorded with this note.

I do remember this round, i was either an Officer or a Detective and as it says, i already had my suspicious and leads against the Janitor and i did a legitimate skill issue where instead of adding a Comment to their Criminal Record or to their Charges i accidentally sent them a fine(which as the note says i promptly fixed) but due how fine works the janitor got a PDA message that probably said ‘‘You’ve been fined X for: Possible ling’’ and i remember him complaining on radio (and they might’ve done an ahelp after that) so… Yeah, i really don’t see how this led to a note and who knows why i didn’t appeal it earlier given that everything was ‘‘IC’’ and he pretty much gained an advantage from my own mistake.

Additional Information:
While i do obviously understand notes are not a form of punishment but a way to keep record of players actions and that it’s a two year old minor note that probably wouldn’t affect any judgement from an Admin that takes a look at it if they need it. I do believe that in this particular case no note was needed.

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This note is incredibly old and no admin will act on such old notes, as long as the player has played afterwards.

I haven’t looked into the logs yet, but “Possible ling” is not something that belongs onto a fine. Nor does it belong into a criminal record, as it’s not a crime.

If this note is purely because of you fining him instead of putting it into their criminal record then I agree with your appeal.

But the criminal record/fine is in and of itself a sign of potential metagaming. Labeling a suspicious janitor as “Possible ling” without any proof of such, is metagaming.
It just depends if megaddd actually mentioned that in the ticket. If yes, the note can be updated to better reflect this.

Apart from that, why are you appealing this now? This note has no impact on nearly anything as it is so old.

I haven’t looked into the logs yet, but “Possible ling” is not something that belongs onto a fine. Nor does it belong into a criminal record, as it’s not a crime.

Of course not! That’s why i mentioned that i originally meant to use the ‘‘Comment’’ section but somewhere along the lines i probably pressed the ‘‘Fine’’ button and immediatly corrected it, though back in the day if i remember correctly, it was very common to use the Criminal Record section to update stuff like that, i’m unsure if this was before or after the general change of Space Law regarding certain antags.

If this note is purely because of you fining him instead of putting it into their criminal record then I agree with your appeal.

Correct! From my understanding, said janitor player was already quite… angry against me because i was on their tail and when i accidentally did the Fine i remember they screamed it on radio and i assume they ahelped it.

But the criminal record/fine is in and of itself a sign of potential metagaming. Labeling a suspicious janitor as “Possible ling” without any proof of such, is metagaming.

If i remember correctly i did had leads on them due to finding husked bodies with fibers and prints belonging to the janitor and their reactions (probably general hostility or refusing to co-operate) were something that raised an eyebrow and put them as the main suspect of being a Changeling based on relevant Security training to identify certain Antagonists alongside the relevant evidence.

Apart from that, why are you appealing this now? This note has no impact on nearly anything as it is so old.

Yeah, i figured as much it would not hold any relevance nowadays. Just wanted to give it a shot because i was speaking about notes with other players and even an Admin was confused about it because no real incident was recorded with this note at first glance so if there’s a chance to have it removed, i might as well take it. Specially because that player seemed extremely angry OOC and made me felt it was a bad faith ahelp which really left a bad taste on me, i do apologize since it’s something really old and took me a while to appeal it, i’ll leave it up to you.

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