Dropko banned by Ro5490

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CKEY: Dropko

Admin’s CKEY: Ro5490

Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: Sage

Ban Type: Role

Ban Length: 1w

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 11/24/2020

Round ID: 24355

Ban Reason: Global Job-Ban: Attempted to perma-brig the mime, beat them in the shuttle after an attempted escape attempt, ending in the mime being in crit, then spaced after trying to crawl back onto the shuttle. - Tl;Dr they left a crit mime to die in gulag ending in the mimes death. Claimed it was a suicide IC(not in ahelp)

Appeal Reason: Unjust sentence

Additional Information: What went on - I joined the station that had no HOS and two officers and brig. I volunteered to play HOS. After initial communication with officers I went to cells to inspect. I saw mime being released in a moment so I stayed around to let him out. As soon as his cell door was opened he went and attacked the brig physician immediately leading to him getting a second elevated sentence for 5 minutes (this is absolute disregard for the law, 5 minutes is necessary even if it was a minor assault). During his sentence his cell windows were broken an he tried to escape and started placing down invis walls to obstruct officers. This lead to him having a major sentence. I personally gave the mime the option to choose between between perma and gulag, even though I didn’t have to. He chose gulag. I personally escorted him to lavaland, told him I will be back in a few minutes to check if he mined. After getting back on the shuttle I noticed he boarded as well. He was flashed and taken back to gulag, without an harm. His PDA was taken away thrown on the ground and I tried to get back to brig again. He boarded again. He was punched a couple of times with bare hands, I don’t recall how much but it was definitely not enough to crit him (5-6? torso) then I flashed him and tried to make my way to lavaland and he crawled out of the shuttle and spaced HIMSELF.

This resulted in me being banned for ALL HEAD ROLES AND ALL OF SECURITY FOR A WEEK.

Now let me ask you this - how many people play sec on this server? Every single round there is lack of officers. Why? Becuase you force the officers to let people shit on their heads all shift in fear of getting banned. I get that there are some officers powertripping, but that needs a HOS to keep them in line or admin to slap them on their wrist, but honestly this is pretty ridiculous to get banned FOR A WEEK FROM ALL HEAD ROLES AND ALL OF SECURITY even though I showed HEAPS OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THE MIME TO COMPLY.

I’d like my sentence to be reduced to 24-72hrs ban on HOS, since I take it on myself that the mime died - he shouldn’t and I understand that. However, I do not think I have acted irrationally or unprofessionally and I have showed more compassion than a random HOS shows on a typical Sage shift unfortunatelly.

Secondly I’d like to bring up the process in which I was banned by Ro5490. Even though we were in the process of investigating the issue and he admitted that my decision to perma resolution for the mime was just, he proceeded to BAN ME FOR A WEEK, even though I said that it is unfortunate for the mime to die and that it should not have happened. I’d very much appreciate if would be explained to him what kind of actions lead to week long bans.

Full admin conversation below:

Admin PM from- Ro5490 : Mind telling me the reason behind perma gulagging mino, then beating him to crit and claiming suicide once he was spaced?

PM to- Admins : 1. it was his third offence within 5 minutes, he had increasing sentences from the beginning 2. he was brought to gulag two times and both times got back on the shuttle intending to get back on the station 3. he was not in crit, he crawled out of the shuttle by himself while it was traveling

Admin PM from- Ro5490 : [19:11:14] (Mimo) (Labor Camp Shuttle (16, 52, 5)) has been grabbed by (Ryan Kerfuffle) passive grab (NEWHP: -15)

Admin PM from- Ro5490 : he was in crit

PM to- Admins : unfortunate… do you want people to shit over security? he was released after his first offence and he could have walked out… instead he immediatelly went and attacked the brig physician… when given a 5 minute sentence he tried to escape when the cell windows were breached… after that I GAVE HIM A CHOICE to be perma’d or gulaged, he said gulag, then proceeded to get back on the ship twice refusing to be gulaged and just work his way back to station… what kind of patience should I have? I am here to make order… I gave him heaps of chances to just behave normal.

Admin PM from- Ro5490 : Please dont leave people you’re arresting/brigging/gulaging to die in the future, I understand the increased brigging time and the perma though.

You have been banned by Ro5490 from Roles: Captain, Head of Personnel, Head of Security, Chief Engineer, Research Director, Chief Medical Officer, Warden, Detective, Security Officer, Brig Physician, Deputy. Reason: Global Job-Ban: Attempted to perma-brig the mime, beat them in the shuttle after an attempted escape attempt, ending in the mime being in crit, then spaced after trying to crawl back onto the shuttle. - Tl;Dr they left a crit mime to die in gulag ending in the mimes death. Claimed it was a suicide IC(not in ahelp)
This ban is temporary, it will be removed in 1 week. This ban applies to all of our servers. The round ID is 24355.

You can no longer reply to this ticket, please open another one by using the Adminhelp verb if need be.
Message: thank you, I’ll try… I though he would just accept the sentence… I will tone it down

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Also this… I said that

  1. he was not in crit, he crawled out of the shuttle by himself while it was traveling

How did I not say that in Ahelp?? Why are you LYING???

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knuckle crack

Hi, jannie team’s resident secmain here. Let’s analyse what you’ve done, if you’ve fucked up and how.

Space Law does dictate that multiple repeated crimes can result in a permanent sentence, and as the acting HOS, you were allowed to do this. That was 100% fine and warranted.

After that shit takes a full 180.

Unfortunately, paper logs don’t exist, but for the sake of this argument, let’s say the mime did want to go to the gulag. The second boarding, you could’ve just stunned him, cuffed and buckled; you have a variety of stun weapons, from your baton to a flash, pepperspray or even just your gun. Now, admittedly, you did not beat him into crit; pressure did that. Movement is not logged, so now we enter the debate of;

Did you space the Mime, and why did you say he killed himself / crawled out by himself?

Now, I know Mimo. He’s not one to banbait, even if he is quite an LRP player, which hopefully the staff team addresses it at a later date. However, him being LRP actually works to my advantage here, because I know he will attempt to preserve his life at any means disposable to him. Going through the admin-PM logs, it seems like he was left to die in the shuttle, more or less. Space Law dictates that if an area of imprisonment is not habitable, you move them somewhere else. You did not do this, and due to shitty airlocks, Guilleco was spaced and ended up dead. Though you did not directly kill him, he died due to your negligence of the prisoner; though minor things are excusable, a depressurised area is fairly easy to identify, and then saying he crawled out himself is a massive no-no.

Also continually making brig timer bigger is a massive sign of shitsec.

TL;DR: Read space law, you deserve this ban.

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Did you space the Mime, and why did you say he killed himself / crawled out by himself?

I did not open the door and throw him out. I was infact in the other room on the shuttle when it happened commanding the terminal. I have absolutely nothing more to say to this and I am willing to swear on my mother’s life that I did not throw him out of the shuttle.

TL;DR change the server name to LRP and I will gladly ignore the sec role altogether, forever. I am actually trying to keep order on the station while others are shitting over everything. Ask anyone.

Week ban for not willing to put up with a shitter that accidentally died because he wasn’t able to behave after 5 opportunities to do so. Get. Fucking. Real.

Once again, 1-3 days HOS ban, I take it. He died. Other than that it’s just ridiculous.

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Guilleco is a separate problem the staff team are currently discussing.

Yes, I know you didn’t space him; that much is true. He was put into crit by pressure, and he was spaced when attempting to get out of the shuttle and you sent it back. The problem here isn’t direct violence, it’s deliberate, or at least incredibly ignorant, negligence on your part. This likely wouldn’t’ve been a ban if you had been more honest when talking to other people regarding his death, but even then, putting the mime in a not-safe environment would’ve caught you some sort of punishment.

Literally you just could’ve grabbed him and none off this would’ve happened.

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You did not do this, and due to shitty airlocks, Guilleco was spaced and ended up dead.

Just noticed this very important point. That’s probably what happened. HOWEVER. If he didn’t mess with the shuttle he would be alive yet he insisted with somehow messing with the doors and as a result of that he was spaced by accident.

I feel no remorse for this. I am not there to babysit repeated offenders that are shitting over law and other people. If you do not agree with this, then I don’t really care what other arguments you have against this and I rest my case. But this is not how MRP should work. Please let it sink very deep in your conscience along with the facts that I described in my plea.

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Literally you just could’ve grabbed him and none off this would’ve happened.

And he could have literally stopped being a dick within the 5 opportunities he had. So fucking sorry for not letting him to shit on me as HOS and for shitting on my men straight after release. Sounds about right. Good luck with round balance with zero officers. What the hell. Have mimes spawn with sec belt and make them do job that nobody really wants to do because of BS like we are discussing right now.

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Also continually making brig timer bigger is a massive sign of shitsec.

Please pick one. I have a massive respect for you Hangy as an admin, but this does not make sense. What was wrong? That I gave him one more 5 minute chance to straighten up? Excuse me.

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I take back the 1-3day ban. There is so many holes in all of this that honestly anything other than immediate revocation of the entire ban is just a disgrace.

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I did check the logs, you didnt space him yourself, you arent being accused of that in any way.

However, you beat him for about 50 hp, left him in a de-pressurised area causing him to crit, and then grabbed him while he was in softcrit to take him off the shuttle, leaving him to die in gulag. Then claimed in IC chat that he suicided after he tried to crawl back onto the shuttle and was spaced instead

This is obvious negligence and as such you where banned.

You also re-opened tickets twice, and once more after I warned you about it, telling me you where suiciding as HoS due to “gross admin incompetence”.
Suiciding as a head, with no valid IC reason, would still get you a Heads Job-ban.

I won’t be revoking this.

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you beat him for about 50 hp

That’s crit? We’re still talking about a fucking mime dying as AN ACCIDENT. WEEK BAN ALL HEAD ROLES. 5 TIMES REPEATED OFFENCE. ARE YOU ALL MAD?

suiciding as HoS due to “gross admin incompetence”.

Suiciding as a head, with no valid IC reason, would still get you a Heads Job-ban.

I was talking about you. I am tired of horseshit like this that people like you enforce. You are an amateur and should be very soon stripped of all rights to act like this because you have poor judgment and laughable understanding of the severity of the situation that you rushed to resolve just to get off your chest not taking anything that was discussed into account.

I am deeply ashamed and disappointed of how you perceive Sec work, order on station, protection of shitters and all around “MRP” manner of this server. Have a good night.

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There is nothing more to discuss since reasoning doesn’t work. I accept your BS penalty even though I am absolutely in the clear here apart from the mime dying from his own shittery.

Lock the thread and get it over with.

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Follow space law as HoS or you’re no better than the tiding LRP mimes. At the very least, don’t have a temper tantrum when told to follow the server rules.

The issue of Mimo is separate to this and is being discussed by the admin team.

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you rushed to resolve just to get off your chest not taking anything that was discussed into account.

Yes, 100%, totally!
This is why it took over 20 minutes for me to finalise the decision to ban you, I really wasnt spending my time taking things into account or asking other admins for opinions on the situation after reviewing everything given by both parties and the logs that where avaliable at all!

50hp or not, Dragging a prisoner who is lying on the floor in a de-pressurised shuttle, bleeding on said floor, into gulag, not bothering to check if they might be in crit, and then leaving them to die is very obvious neglegence as HoS. This still stands, and it seems you havent fully read through this forum discussion so far as you dont seem to grasp this fact.

Feel free to make an admin report if you deem it necessary however.

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Appeal Denied.
Feel free to make an admin report if you deem it necessary.
Seniormins/Headmins feel free to re-open this if needed.