I disagree slightly, I think a head of staff knows damn well what items are worth more than others, its like blaming captain for hiding antique laser gun because “its traitor item” or CMO’s Hypospray, they are irreplecable items, thus take top priority.
He wore it on himself, I remember seeing him with it before he got gibbed and 15 min prior too.
If you thought that you were allowed to know what items the traitors were specifically targeting, explain this and explain what you know now.
I apologise for only hiding the traitor-targetable items.
If I could go back I would instead have acted IC like I didn’t know what they were going to take and hid ALL the non-standard items from the CE’s locker.
I was acting with what I thought to be an IC knowledge of the valuable objects in my locker; but in retrospect @Colonel 's point regarding the budget card and other IC valuable items is true, and is something I should have thought of.
Are you happy with this mindset, Isy? Or do you think there are other directions I should consider? (Genuinely asking)
I wouldnt even say your mindset is very wrong, hiding or holding all of the irreplacable items makes a lot of sense.
However, for example, the CMO should not hide just their hypospray, they should hide the other valuables too, like budget cards.
The reason the ban was applied, again, was because of the mindset of wishing to screw over traitors instead of play a believable character. This was based more of the defense given in the ticket then their IC actions.
We could justify your actions of taking only specific valuables really easily, station blueprints are obviously extremely important no doubt about that, advanced magboots are a technological marvel and probably cost more than engineering budget could ever hope to have on it.
I agree, only if it’s not urgent emergency (what i think was happening at the moment of item hiding) you dont know where traitor is, security hasn’t arrived yet, I’d take the most valuable item such as blueprints and instantly dash out of the department
Yes, this mindset is far better and acceptable IC in my opinion.
When there is a lot of traitor activity on the station, your character getting concerned and hiding their valuables is acceptable. This should be your reasoning instead of the one you previously offered of “It being the robust thing to do to beat the traitors”.
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The worst possible thing that could’ve happened is if CE left their items as is, I do not understand how antagonist having a tougher time made it bannable for the antagonized, they could’ve easily either kidnapped CE and extort information or try a more unique way to play instead of Emag go unga.
Edit: I see it as biased towards traitor to ban someone hiding valuables they came to steal, its as if antagonist is over a normal crew member. I saw this as an IC situation that should’ve forced antagonist to play smarter, rather than charge into a room with 3 witnesses and completely fail, only to get your target with item round removed By OOC means
I see; fair enough; I am often made to feel powerless in game, so maybe my emotions got the better of me when I made the decision on what to hide; my perception was clouded with the memories of being seemingly effortlessly robusted by people with hundreds of hours in game, and tossed around like a ragdoll.
“Not this time” I thought.
“This time, I’m ready.”
I remembered the time I had spent trying out the safe as HoP; I thought first to use the safe in my office as CE; but there is no safe in the CE’s office.
Why is that? Why does the CE’s office not have a wall safe? There’s a wall safe in the unused maint offices, for christ’s sake. I feel like the CE’s office would rank a wall safe, would it not?
Lessons learned:
1: attitude matters; RP servers demand that you constantly think about what your character is thinking, and not going on autopitol for big decisions like, in this example, what to hide.
2: More specifically if I’m going to hide shit, go whole hog, Orion is terrified of having the shit Centcom gave him responsibility over stolen, and needs to act as such.
3: Be careful about how you treat admin logs; they can have a big impact on how your actions are managed; even if you have notes on your AHelp profile that you’re reasonable, if the Admin doesn’t like how you’ve phrased something that can be grounds for a global ban.
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If this was the defence they used it probably would have been fine, the ban was placed more as a means to correct their mindset instead of because they did something really bad.
From the ticket logs I have looked at, they were somewhat confrontational and the ticket did not end with them understanding why they were wrong or how to correct their behaviour. Therefore to prevent them from breaking any more rules they were banned so that their behaviour could be forcefully corrected.
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If you are OK with the ban sure, although i would like to see other admins perspective on this, i personally see this as an IC situation.
Wouldn’t that have been tagged with “explain on forums”? This seemed to me as a genuine 7 day ban for a really weak reasoning
Aww man, I wrote up a whole post with “lessons learned” and everything but it got eaten by the forums
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yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
(did you delete your post, I cant find it)
Oh you saw it great.
No I didn’t, dunno what happened
Whatever, it can be seen in my quote.
At this point I think you’d be fine to be unbanned effective immediately, however since I was not there for the entire situation the banning admin will still have to review this to ensure we’re not missing some big important points.
Another point which I failed to quote, how you approach admin tickets is very important. Its not always easy to accept that your wrong, but being polite, explaining why what you thought you were doing was okay, then explaining how you should have acted after the error is corrected will get you out of most bans.
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As I previously mentioned to your third point.
Another point which I failed to quote, how you approach admin tickets is very important. Its not always easy to accept that your wrong, but being polite, explaining why what you thought you were doing was okay, then explaining how you should have acted after the error is corrected will get you out of most bans.
You seem to understand this now, sounds good.
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ok i will now take the time read through this ban appeal.
ok i have read through and it seemed you understand why i placed the ban. i will reduce it to a note.