what’s wrong with him having insuls, sunglasses and tools?
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my boy banned for maints loot
sad nword hours
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True. It is generally considered a learning role on the station to help departments, get to grips with the control system, and find your way around the station discovering it’s layout. Many people when not wanting to choose a job and roleplay anything on the station will take this role to grief under the guise of “Well I don’t have to do a job so I’ll fuck around”
Being an assistant is not a free pass to ignore any part of this rule. Assistants are expected to help around the station, not immediately rush all the supplies that aren’t nailed down or behind locked doors - Ask for whatever supplies you need from the department(s) you’re helping.
I was wrong about the shotguns being stolen from brig. I saw you holding a shotgun after someone ahelped that you had one out. A brief look through the logs showed you breaking into the area near where the shotguns are kept. I should’ve looked at it more thoroughly, I am sorry.
You were also seen to be valid hunting around maints after hearsay of cult, and said you were doing as much earlier here.
As Ruko said, and explained at the top of this, you followed standard griefer - style behaviour. I was wrong for the duration of the ban as it is much less tidery without the shotguns. I would’ve dropped this down to a day ban normally however as time has passed it is now fully lifted.
Your note has also been edited.
Will leave this open for a bit for comments and opinions.
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naaah were not done here buddy
how could you possibly confuse a toy shotgun for a real one from bridge and ban me for it. do you have what some might say a dent in your skull? its not just the banning its the denying and being rude about it for no reason.
i have other jobs selected but those were taken at round start so it made me an assistant instead. what do you expect me to do about that?
valid hunting with no weapons or good means of stunning. yeah bro lemme just stop all of cult with a bar of soap
like hell you would bwoink/possibly ban every assistant rushing tools or hacking in somewhere.
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I dont think this could warrant a ban at all, first of all tools are easily found and avaliable for EVERYONE in the tool shared storage whatever is named. Second sunglases are found in maint quite easily and first aid kits are everywhere; tool shared storage, dorms, medbay lobby, etc. Dude was just carrying publicly avaliable stuff for all roles to use and carry. And I highly doubt youll ever be baned in an HRP server for doing the same thing since the stuff he took didnt represented any loss for anyone on station and is spawned there for literally anyone to use. What a stupid lazy ban, seems like admins are imposing seudo rules on what they think medium roleplay should be like. I hope this ban appeal serves an example that common grounds should be found on concepts applied into MRP.
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Aeder are you actually retarded enough to ban someone for having foam force shotguns
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also dont just change the note remove it entirely this ban is bogus
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This shit is why BeeStation is not really fun anymore in my opinion.
This kinda retarded enforcement also flows into LRP with admins that aren’t even aware of the rules themselves or try to enforce MRP shit there (but go play on LRP they say honk).
Bruh, sad. How the mighty have fallen. Shit used to be lit with the 100 pop single server times.
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Tools can be used for assisting engineers and scientists. Insuls are for protection if you decide to assist engineers. Sunglasses look cool. Aren’t admins supposed to have basic understanding of how shit works?
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3. You Must Roleplay
Your character is a grown adult working on a research station for a major company. You are a professional. Act like it.
8. No Powergaming
As a non-security & non-command crewmember, you’re not an experienced soldier. Do not rush into danger without reason.
Do not collect dangerous items, weapons, or tools “just in case”
13. Do Your Job
Being an assistant is not a free pass to ignore any part of this rule. Assistants are expected to help around the station, not immediately rush all the supplies that aren’t nailed down or behind locked doors - Ask for whatever supplies you need from the department(s) you’re helping.
The note is not entirely bogus, just based on the wrong core reason to me, and way too long if a ban was warranted here in the first place. We have these in place on MRP specifically because of a large group of players who roll assistants just because they think they can shirk department responsibilities and avoid roleplaying with other departments.
We don’t want valid-hunting Diet-security (Defenders of the station with none of the standards security are held to) roaming maints and main halls 24/7. We also don’t want people roaming around with the ability to tide into departments to “help the station” in the blink of an eye. Go to LRP if you feel you need tools and want to play assistant just to do your own thing and ignore others. If you must have tools, then go help robotics or engineering out and if they don’t need help, you don’t need tools “just in case”.
@Oliva you’ve been a really bad scientist for a while (I haven’t been on early enough to see you firsthand in a while), but I haven’t seen you roll Assistant to do this shit pretty much ever, that’s the main reason I don’t think it should be punished so harshly against you. But I do still think you like to toe the lines a lot and aren’t really a fit for MRP since you just do your own thing and don’t RP at all on the occasion I see you
Edit: important word missing, was typing this on my way out the door to go to work.
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@OwenMcShain I’m not sure if you’re referring to me or someone else, but Golden has very frequently been entirely without admins because the ones that understand and like the environment there have gone pretty inactive (at least for the entire time I’m awake and able to cover servers). A large portion of the admin team we have now joined after the mass tide of unwanted LRP-inclined players into Sage. I’m trying to better understand LRP and enforce the standards as they’re explained to me so that I can improve both servers and give the players who actually prefer Golden a server to go back to without it being total anarchy.
We need admins that like LRP, but aren’t prone to admin abuse and constant rule-breaks.
Do I need to come out of retirement to moderate LRP again
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how could i hunt anyone or anything with no weapons?
holy shit…
i dont really care for what rules should or should not be made as far as the server is concerned (as long as they arent really specific fun sucking ones like the one for xenobio) its only when they are inconsistent is when i care. And i am 100% sure you would never note or bwoink any other assistant for having tools. if you’re telling me that you are i will ahelp every single one and see how long until you ahelp mute me. what the actual fuck is this server becoming?
fun fact the first time i got banned from science was from aeder too and i had to get that one appealed too. 2/2 unjust bans from him so far
I took your side on the case of being blamed for what one of your sentient mobs did, wasn’t what I was referring to
I’ve handled you as a scientist firsthand myself, and I’m referring to the month-long ban you got for mass releasing Xeno mobs near departures as a scientist, then doing it again while I was a trial admin. You went to clean it up after I bwoinked, so I didn’t act on it at the time but I was given auth to do so.
Regarding the tools situation, it’s the new hot topic up for debate between admins right now, so take my stance with a grain of salt, but this is how and why I’ve enforced it:
The powergaming rule literally includes tools as a listed part of the rule. Any assistant (or others too, see scarwolff’s appeal) that hordes tools without the intent to actually assist Is in violation of the rule to me - gathering tools with intent to tide into other departments for anything you shouldn’t have access to definitely counts as powergaming to me.
As for valid hunting, I didn’t mean it as an accusation against you specifically necessarily. It’s just a common theme amongst the tiding assistants to valid-hunt and pick fights and it’s not welcome behavior on Sage
Huge note: I wasn’t present for this round, I don’t know your intent or actual situation that well in this specific case. I’m just trying to voice the rules that I feel may have applied and why, as well as some honest opinions about my experiences with you as a player. I don’t think you should have had the tools or intended to be a proper help to the station based on what I see here
(my bad quoted it partially by accident)
Bruh moment when players get called a rules lawyer for interpreting rules a certain way. Wasn’t also the whole idea that tools for an assistant itself were powergaming by definition?
This situation of barely any accountability for staff, a rule that reads: '‘Admins have the authority to “ignore” rules when they feel it’s in the best interest of the server/playerbase.’’ and a general lack of any responsibility when it comes to just acknowledging mistakes is a recipe for disaster.
This shit is starting to turn into a Paradise Station kinda server.
Edit: Small recap. Sunglasses, tools, insulated gloves and a force foam shotgun (all publicly available) are tools of powergaming and validhunting. Unga truely.
Nobody has said foam force shotgun was powergaming and I disagreed on the case of the sunglasses. We haven’t considered sunglasses powergaming before this scenario and I don’t think we should start to
Collecting tools and insuls for the sake of tiding is not welcome on Sage though. Keep that shit on Golden.
Not assisting the station can be broadly interpreted. Also the fact that punishing people for picking up items that are publicly available and are not harmful is ridiculous. There’s already a rule against greytiding if I recall correctly, is that not sufficient.
If I pick up tools and start a little maintenance bar, shop or just general bullshit that doesn’t really benefit the station I would appearantly be powergaming.
Again also, players get called muh rules lawyer, but admins are free to interpret rules to their liking.
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Tools and insuls have a ton of uses that aren’t tiding. They can be used to save lives if someone is locked in a room with some sort of hazard, they can be used to fix the piping or wires, and they can be used to gather materials from deconstructing things. Having a fucking toolbelt shouldn’t matter, what you do with those tools should. This is completely insane.
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If I pick up tools and start a little maintenance bar, shop or just general bullshit that doesn’t really benefit the station I would appearantly be powergaming
No, because you aren’t doing it for the sake of tiding or just being a shitter. You’re adding something to the round if you’re doing this. Have you ever done this though or is this just a hypothetical you’re trying to come up with to paint us in a poor light?
There’s already a rule against greytiding if I recall correctly, is that not sufficient.
No there isn’t specifically because there’s a time and place for it, such as exactly the scenario I’m about to quote from Spaghetti. The rules I’ve quoted are how we enforce against players tiding with poor intent.
Tools and insuls have a ton of uses that aren’t tiding. They can be used to save lives if someone is locked in a room with some sort of hazard
You’re right, they can be. provided the tools are still available for someone to grab in such a scenario. Grabbing items “just in case” is the core definition of powergaming.
We don’t pursue people for mass gathering tools unless we see this being the case.
In this instance Oliva was not helping the station with their full set up, which is the crux of the issue.
Sure, as an assistant, grab all the tools that aren’t nailed down in tool storage and then go help build engineering stuff, robotics, station repairs or work on a cool side project out in the tunnels somewhere.
Don’t grab all the tools, sunglasses and then roam the halls picking fights, valid hunting and griefing people, with toys, that are actually doing their jobs.
This appears to have devolved into a more general discussion on power gaming rather than the ban. Locking it for this reason.