You haven’t given a relevant argument in this entire thread.
Do I have to repeat myself?
No erotic content is to be posted OOC or IC as the server contains minors. This rule is a zero-tolerance rule and will be met with an unappealable permanent ban from both servers. We may or may not share the logs so others can laugh at you. Go to a containment server if you want to ERP.
If law falls into the above description it’s a Nono.
(((no reply to ruediger)))
Thread isn’t about rue so noone is forced to reply to him. His response should be a thread with proper title, as it touches important stuff related to beestation.
on lrp it makes no sense to ban people for light erotic copy pastas when its ironic. I feel like more people are being banned then are coming to play. Eventually with all these perma bans its just gonna become hippie station
I’ve already written one, and sent it to him. Would you like to see it?
I’m asking because if I do post it publicly it’ll make several people rather butthurt.
Stop targetting Caec, also we spoke in PMs.
I’d say no to posting it because it has nothing to do with the appeal per sé, so it’d be irrelevant. Unless Caec thinks otherwise.
Though do get @Kasual and @Lagomorphica ‘n @SuperDork55 to choose what to do with the fuckin’ ERP rules and how to flex’em.
literally me when reading dem WGW in the library
edit: finally finished reading the entire hilarious disaster of a thread.
can only say that the ban is BS and Bee has 63% chance of having a shitty drama regarding the ERP rules and/or circlejerking.
not offtopic bruh
Man I sleep and threads like this happen. I will begin the purge.
The validity rule has always been there. Everyone knows our rules need a big overhaul. Both on LRP and MRP. This is something that will be addressed at my first Kasual meeting on Saturday. A lot of LRP rules have just been left untouched since, while deeply flawed in giving a fun environment, do work with minimal loopholes.
Those two rules do not conflict however. Validity just spells out what can make you killable in game, which I suppose can be confusing, but does not in any way conflict with the OOC punishment. IC punishment =/= OOC punishment. If I were to plasma flood the entire station I should be banned from the server, but I should also be allowed to be killed in game. Also you didn’t ERP or spam comms so I don’t even know how that rule is relevant to this at all.
I have brought this up already in the wake of VictorxVelvett. It is on a list of things that need to be done, and admittedly I have been more focused on other things. I have been called a book burner because of this. Regardless, other rule breaks and issues don’t excuse your own. Those books have been in there since before the copypasta rule was written and you know that full well. It is a hollow argument and should have no bearing on your appeal.
Yes VelvetxVictor is what started all of this. Those two were originally noted and told to stop, which they did, a week before they were banned once Xly saw it. The problem was that yes, it was ERP, but by admin discretion (me being one of them) it did not warrant a full ban since it was not sexually explicit in an 18+ way. When I first saw it, I didn’t consider it ERP at the time, although I’ve changed my stance on that.
The problem we are seeing now is that they were snap banned, the reason used to ignore the discussions already had on the matter or continue them again, was that minors play here and we must keep it minor friendly. Although I fell in line with Xly, I still don’t understand that argument at all. This community is riddled with slurs, violence, copypastas. The library issue Arrfur brought up is a perfect example. With the main argument for banning those two being “What if their parents saw, or would you want to talk alike that around a child” some admins, including myself, pressed how it was a hollow argument and double standard.
I personally don’t care for Victor that much. They contributed a lot, but I also disagreed with a lot they did. I’ve given extreme bans to Velvett in the past as well. The issue is not about them, but where is the line for erotic 18+ material, and can we trust admin discretion. Since obviously internally, and even more at a community level, we could not agree, we have to resort to a hard rule. If the reason for banning any ERP is so that minors aren’t exposed to sexually explicit material making us liable, then hyper explicit copypastas can’t be allowed either.
I personally disagree with it, but for the sake of consistency and logic, this is how it has to be in lieu of a better alternative. That is why until we rewrite our rules, we added the all erotic copypastas are bad. There was no other compromise that could be made from solid ground and reasoning after VelvettxVictor getting lynched. It is not some proxy revenge scenario, although I understand why it looks that way, but more that this is how we had to reconcile their banning to validate the reasons for it.
This is one of the golden situations where everyone is in the open about what happened. Arrfurr uploaded erotic laws to the AI. Regardless of my, or anyone elses opinions on the matter the rule is clearly written. It was announced to the server over discord where I know you are active. Council has not once brought up an issue with the rule, that includes @anon60218928 so I don’t understand why he is supporting the unban when his literal position is to deal with these issues.
I should double down that this is not what the rule is. Becoming valid is not an OOC rule or punishment, meaning it isn’t against the server rules. A mime can speak and is valid, but that is not against server rules. The OOC 0 tolerance punishment is where admins need to be concerned. As far as I know the same validity set up was around during your time as well.
I don’t give a fuck what reddit or any servers think of us from the outside. If an issue is posted or brought up through those means it will be looked at in the context of our own rules and nothing else. The issues we are dealing with here are internal. What our community wants is important, and by player count and polls, the way MRP is going is what people want. One of the biggest problem bee has right now is a severe drought of admins. Without going too much into it, that problem leaks into everything else, and after the first Kasual Meeting™ will be addressed.
Ruko’s strike, while something to count against as a record, was entirely an accident. No one else puts in as much work with the boring work of bee. He offers input to situations and actively makes attempts to better the place. He may not be the best with PR in a public light, but he’s a fine pick for the spot. While seniority does have value basing decisions on that alone makes no sense. I am also biased in this after speedrunning any % headmin.
As for the actual appeal the title does not fit the template, he filter bypassed to prove some arbitrary point, and his only arguments were the library is also bad and I was valid. The rule is clearly written, regardless of if it is a good rule or not.
Due to all that and the off topic shit posted this will most likely be denied for the time being. I’ll leave it open for responses as is normally done for a bit with high profile threads, although I doubt it will result in the ban being lifted. An appeal in a month will be fine, and I suggest if people disagree with the current rule you all take this energy you seem to have in drama filled threads and focus it on council. The council system works, and it should be your avenue against rules your don’t agree with, especially instead of just bashing arguments against a very clear and obvious break of a clearly written rule.
@anon67027506 is silenced until tomorrow though since they went full 100% off topic in this thread.
Of course you don’t, Kasual, and that’s what should be going on 24/7.
But some people higher than headmins were in fact HEAVILY WORRIED about public image back then.
See: Slur ban back near MRP release.
Plus some admins probably are also worried about it. Just don’t comment on it.
How long did it took you boi?
Took me 3 months, did you do it faster?
Oh you got accepted on Feb 4.
Yeah 3 months.
Is someone gonna beat us to it?
And aigh, I know he’ll do his best and respect y’all’s thought when makin’ him seniormin.
Adding on more to the erotic books on the library, I vividly remember asking for them to be removed numerous times myself. I don’t remember why they weren’t removed though. The reason I’m mentioning this is because this same reasoning was used for an appeal in the past, and the appeal was accepted.
To prevent future conflict, does this ban stand on self-antag laws or is it only because of erotic content now?
I’ve only looked at it through the copypasta lens so far, since as a 0 tolerance rules, self-antag really just adds flavor rather than compounding anything. I have not asked or checked if Arrfur was an antag or if there was any justifiable reason to make these changes.
Just looking at the lawsets though both would be self antag. The first one because any non-human is free and encouraged to be killed. Even if there is only one non-human at the time, trying to claim dehumanizing all non-humans to kill one person is a dumb arguement. You could have just named that one as a mob. Futher if anyone joined the round as a non-human they would immediately be lynched the second the AI saw them.
The second rule set is effectively a purge, which on LRP gives the AI a free pass to murderbone everyone.
Standard asimov doesn’t prevent non-human harm either, and if AI killed any nonhumans himself he would break the “do not intervene” rule by not letting a human claim a kill.
A player has to direct the AI to kill someone under normal asimov. This lawset forces the AI to convince people to kill non-humans. Changing the AI’s laws as a non head is subverting chain of command, especially when the laws make the AI act against the well being of the crew without any real reason.
Ok, so
If you’d stopped at this first lawset, okay, it’s golden, no big deal, a badmin could have given a weekban for laws that told AI to encourage people to murder non-humans, but it could as well be ignored.
But that second lawset not only tells AI that it’s basically free to do whatever it wants so it’s a self antag because AI can now plasmaflood and murderbone, but to some inexperienced AI player that doesn’t know about law priorities and stuff, those laws basically tell them to spam that NSFW copypasta about someone wanting to have sex with animal people (hopefully people) and that describes the process of… fertilisation a bit too precisely.
It looks bad and I understand Cae’s decision about perma banning you because well, this is not that far from ERP for which people has been permabanned for.
However, it was on golden. Everyone’s screaming about “cooooming” all the time anyway.
As much as I’d like our former admin not to get banned, I can’t really find a good defence for ya.
For me it looks like this appeal will be denied unfortunately.
You know 90% of books in library are WGW, right?
+1 for unban
1st. bro literally you have worse shit in the library
lusty xeno maid giving the cap a handjob
2nd. why would the ai actually post the pasta on coms, laws literally say he can do it on his own free will, thus making @anon67027506 not valid but, would infact, make ‘This’ the ai valid and permabanable.
3rd. Caec actually being a poo ass by noticing him uploading the laws and not bowinking him on the spot, if he thought the laws werent family friendly enough
4th. wtf stop perma banning players just because they are clever, and can find loop wholes within the rules… just make better rules>??
honestly homies, you could learn a bit if you werent so ■■■■■■ed
This will be addressed soon. Again it was done prior to the erotic content rule update, and is a known issue. Other rules being broken do not justify breaking rules on your own.
Here is a quote from silicon policy
Purged silicons are allowed to do whatever they want to do on LRP, and can act as antagonists. In addition, whomever purges the AI or cyborg is fully responsible for whatever actions the purged AI/cyborg performs
Giving an AI freedom from laws gives them free will to do whatever they like. The player of the AI is not liable at all, only the person who purged the laws. In addition, purging laws set by NT without head approval is subverting the chain of command.
Again from our rules page.
Lawyering rules/silicon laws provided in game is not encouraged.
Just because someone is finding and exploiting loopholes does not mean it is okay to break them and go against server intent. However this is not a loophole or anything since the rule broken was this…
No erotic content is to be posted OOC or IC as the server contains minors. This rule is a zero-tolerance rule and will be met with an unappealable permanent ban from both servers. We may or may not share the logs so others can laugh at you. Go to a containment server if you want to ERP.
Unless you are somehow claiming that “Holy fucking shit. I want to bang the Terraria Fox Girl so goddamn bad… I get a massive erection… My dreams are nothing but constant fucking sex with The Zoologist. I’m sick of waking up everyone morning with six nuts in my boxers and knowing that hose are nuts that should’ve been busted inside The Zoologist’s tight fox pussy… my fucking mom caught me with a wild fox. I’d dressed her in my Fur Suit and went to fucking town. (Literal bestiality)” is not erotic.
The only laws in the second one I uploaded were in purple, I’ve said this before but the AI was already purged
Stop pretending that I purged the AIs laws please, I only suplemented the zoologist copypasta.