I know every situation is different and dynamic, but I’d like to help identify and highlight the differences between these two situations because of how recent and similar they both are, and how confusing it can be for onlookers who may be missing that additional context and see two very opposing rulings:
Specifically these parts from @Tamus
My understanding of it was that the clown was being brazenly hostile in the open, and an outside non-security player tried to drag the body away without ever attacking the “valid”. There was allegedly no weapons drawn or present, but it is heavily implied by the wording that this would have been fine because Anxiety was a doctor responding to the call for help.
Was this in the context of paramedics directly witnessing the conflict or was this before we nerfed the remote health monitors that let them (and sec) see conflicts as they happened anywhere on the station so they could rush over?