See that’s where your wrong: I can change the server.
Not on my own of course, and bee isn’t a democracy. But the rules stopped working a long time ago, they haven’t ever worked, and everyone knows that. There’s already a rules rework coming in soon, so no I won’t find a different server and I don’t think I’ll listen to your suggestion.
I’m not changing to fit unrobust players salting when they try to do friendly antag and something cogs their work. Elias died because of the clowns actions against me. Elias died because they showed me their DEsword and I called them out and now I was a target. Elias died because it was do or die so I did. None of this is against the rules.
rules rework doesn’t apply to this ban and even once it drops this ban will be grandfathered in
also who’s to say what you did isn’t against the reworked rules as well?
Because all I’m saying is that the server is changing so why would I find a new server. I’m directly replying to what your saying???
Also the ban itself is an issue of “is this valid hunting or not” with most here seemingly thinking it’s not and the rest thinking it is. All the rules say is “don’t validhunt” with no real definition that isn’t left ambiguous
Okay so after some deliberate thinking and over going the situation I had this weird realization that I didn’t see before.
This was potential ban baiting.
I expose him as tator, he flashes his sword, and then all of a sudden he just stands there as i defend myself.
A long time ago there was a cultie who got a guy banned by whispering in the same room and he heard it and beat the cultie to death. That was “validhunting” apparently. He appealed it and got unbanned. This is almost visibly identical. He was a threat to me directly and I protected myself, and he baited me to attack him via flashing the sword making me think he was gonna attack me
There is less RP in doing nothing and getting killed than in defending yourself though.
If someone would come to murder you, you would do everything to try and prevent it, even if you’re just a doctor vs a syndicate member.
Sure non-sec crew didn’t get combat training but that doesn’t mean they don’t know how to fight.
And would ignoring the obvious syndicate member standing next to you not be less RP?
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That. That right there. The item description on the suit is literally “NT Crew are trained to identify and report this”. Camille reported him as a tator and tried to keep him against the wall and on the ground and when that failed Camille resorted to protecting herself and her department the only other way- throwing houseplants at his head until he dropped. That’s RP. No one lies down and dies. If you are a coward, be better or die. That’s the RP standpoint. That’s what Camille would say. You want RP? People don’t always run. People don’t always scream and hide. People aren’t always afraid. There was someone with an energy weapon standing there, presumably with intent to use, Camille took them out and when Clown hit Camille, Camille hit clown and Elias until someone dropped. That doesn’t mean Camille didn’t act like a person. That means Camille acted like people in real life I can name. That’s RP. Victims of sexual assault have a tendency to attempt to fight back when not incapacitated, and murder victims often leave scratches, bruises, and in 1/8 of cases life threatening injuries. When your facing down a barrel, listening to the sparks of the blade, you don’t run. You fight and fight until it stops.
That’s just RP.
He pulled the sword, and he didn’t get to use it because I reacted faster than him. If he didn’t intend on using it, then this is ban baiting and he should be banned, as per exactly what we did to that cultie I mentioned earlier.
I intended on removing the weapon from the equation and chainshoving until sec arrived, and when clown hit me I was forced to re assess and beat Elias because I knew he had a weapon and a chance to use it while avoiding the clown to the best of my ability.
That’s not validhunting, that’s protecting myself and my department from a traitor; and a clown trying to kill me. It’s that simple.
That’s the OOC perspective
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It’s what happens when bad mechanics meet bad rulings. It doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t have to. It’s how the admins/headmins/host wants it to be.
So first of all, I would rather that you had only beaten this person into critical condition and then subdued them through other means without killing them.
as a doctor, you could have beaten him into critical condition, injected him with a good amount of morphine, and then healed him.
Secondly, your sequence of events is possible from reviewing the logs.
I believe they lived for a while as they were dragged around before whispering 1-2 times which is what killed them in the end. We even got him healed up to a point where we could of defibbed, replacing organs and the like, before CMO decided that maybe bringing back an EOC wouldn’t be a good idea
no no no no no no no
anytime things veer towards “nooo you have to let the antag kill you!!!” is when things are becoming the bad kind of HRP where it’s just a hugbox
people don’t seem to realize it’s called a fight or flight response. when faced by a threat, the two options for humans are either get the hell away from the threat or beat that threat’s ass in until it stops being a threat
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yeah we’re getting to the point in the logic of the ban that it would be bannable to kill a nuke op running at you in a hallway with a hardsuit on, weilding a bulldog shotgun lol
also the deicsion to not revive was the CMO (persumably his bosses) decision, not his;
the boo boo here is HoS letting the traitor keep a de-sword for some reason; evidence lockers exist for a reason and giving a known traitor a mass murderbone weapon is just stupid.
lastly to address ‘but da rules’
yes you can actually just straight up murder people who pose a big enough threat; a de-sworder who just pulled it on you in a public hallway is totally valid, once they’re done with you it is highly likely they will kill more people as its a public hallway with lots of witnesses as such the only expected outcome to an antag that goes loud in public is what would happen IRL too; a complete mob beatdown once the attacker is clearly disarmed and on the floor; mob violence frequently leads to murder, this was a incredibly likely outcome that could have been perdicted beforehand.
bee doesnt enforece ‘fear’ RP, so this point is invalid
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I have no issue with you beating up someone once the DEsword gets pulled. I have an issue with you beating them up until they give a response that would allow you to go “SELF DEFENCE” and kill them, then stealing the traitor gear for your own personal use and taking a bunch of powers from genetics because ???.
If you see tator and you’re not in position to kill him (not being order to or not being sec yada yada), scream bloody murder and call for sec. It’s roleplay so you’re just a dude that doesn’t know how to kill people blah blah. Valid hunting bad, murder tators on LRP thats why its more fun imo.
I can see this actually being an issue on MRP; the response should have been handing the gear into sec, coupled with the genetics stuff thats deff powergaming on MRP.
if I was based as fuck and killed a terrorist IRL, I wouldnt expect to be able to keep the machine gun that he had lol
Shoving a guy over wearing a syndicate space suit in a public hallway isnt unreasonable though
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I kept the traitor gear on hand because sec was quite a mess. Sec didn’t arrest the tator why would they care that I had tator weaponry. Also my “genetics powers” was x-ray because med doctor and shock touch was just because I hit it instead of insulated
Lowwy has already attested to my usage of the gamer loot literally being in Elias’s favor
Why have genetics if we can’t use it at all. Insulated is for Tiding and engineering, cryokinesis and electric touch is for sec, x-ray is for med-paramedics,
I WANTED insulated because there was a teslium outbreak coming from something and I didn’t know if teslium shock was prevented by insuls or not
The tator gears usage went up to-
The combat gloves literally being forgotten, I had no idea I had them.
Using the sword to slaughter bees and cut open monkeys (quite literally giving Elias a new heart via the usage of the sword)
And the pen was filled with something and you have to inject before replacing it with something else so I never got to fill it with healing Chems
The pen is literally a better hypospray
Gene powers- shock touch went unused because I didn’t even mean to get it
X-ray- literally never left med so I couldn’t save any of the people hidden dead In maints, but it did let me see people entering the lobby from the treatment room so that was cool I guess
I didn’t try to kill him until his friend tried to kill me, I tried detaining him non lethally via wallshove spam until sec showed up, but sec never showed up, clown attacked, and i was forced to attack lethally too
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