Zaphodbeebrox banned by ro5490

CKEY:
zaphodbeebrox

Admin’s CKEY:
ro5490

Ban Type:
Sec/Head of Staff

Ban Length:
30 Days

Ban Date (2024/09/21/):
Round ID:
50053

Ban Reason:
Round 50053 - Wordlessly shot at a potential antagonist as a non-antag detective instead of attempting to call for security or attempting to roleplay, History of bad security conduct.

Appeal Reason:
Most of what was listed in the ban reason is accurate, including, unfortunately, the history of bad sec conduct. However, there is quite a bit of extra context to the situation that requires explaining. After spending most of my round looking (in character) for cases to solve, I was turned on to a missing person case involving the Chief Medical Officer being dragged off into maints. Since CMO’s suit sensors were on, I set my pinpointer and set off. Note at this point, there was no Head of Security, and to my knowledge there was no other security staff, though now I believe there was actually one other downed in medbay at this time. I walked into science seeing a downed CMO bleeding being dragged by a shaft miner, yelling at me to attack the kidnapper. I did at this time open fire using non-lethals in an attempt to save the CMO. Though the rules are a little vague on exactly what the detective should do in this situation, my interpretation is that this was the correct thing to do, as I was investigating an issue IC when I stumbled upon a head of staff being attacked with no way to call for backup. After a fight involving me and the CMO (and maybe an explorer/scientist? I can’t really remember, it was pretty late last night.) The kidnapper ended up in hard crit. I tried to get the CMO to revive her, to avoid removing another player from the round needlessly, but the CMO refused to render medical aid and the antagonist died. I spent most of the rest of the round trying to revive the antagonist, but was ultimately unsuccessful because the CMO pretty explicitly wanted them to stay dead.

I’m not 100% sure that this was the correct thing to do as a detective without other security staff, and out of the heat of the moment I think it’s pretty reasonable to say I should’ve at least said something before just shooting at the kidnapper. That said, I feel like a 30 day ban is much more than the situation warranted considering the additional context of the situation, because as far as I can tell the rules do support trying to intervene in an attack on a head of staff when there is no other security present. I would seek to have the ban overturned, or at the very least shortened to a more reasonable time frame.

Additional Information:
**Upon reviewing the rules, I realize that though someone kidnapping a head of staff is a reasonable danger, it probably wasn’t enough of a justification for using the revolver immediately. I don’t remember what security level the station was set to at this point, because it was last night at like 3 am in my time zone.

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Thanks for the explanation of what happened on your end.

While not ideal, if there is no other security then you could perform security duties so in that essence what you did was alright, however wordlessly shooting someone down on sight isnt, for reference you can aim your gun at someone by holding your gun and pointing at them, by doing so you can give warnings such as “hands up” or “get on the ground” in the case that you dont have the time IC to type out a message, some form of interaction with the target is always better than none.

I’ll reduce this down to two-weeks if you can promise me your future security conduct wont continue to be bad, please go over and read security SoP for help with that all

Well, if that’s the best I’ll get I’ll take it. I’ll keep working on my sec gameplay, I’d rather not be shitsec if I can help it all things considered.

Also just for clarification, in this situation is the detective’s revolver going to be considered different than, say, a disabler, or would shooting a disabler as a regular secoff here without cursory interaction first also be a problem?

After going over the logs a third time, I’ve come to the conclusion that this ban was made in error.

Sorry about that.

Tl;dr - You walked in and saw a downed head who was screaming for help being dragged away by someone else, Your reaction as security was IC and, although a bit of verbal reaction would have been ideal, the situation did not require it.

Appeal Accepted

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