Youssw banned by sergeikoralev

Title: [youssw] banned by [sergeikoralev]

CKEY:
youssw
Admin’s CKEY:
sergeikoralev
Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one:
one
Which server did the ban happen on?
Sage
Ban Type:
Chief Engineer, Station Engineer, Atmospheric Technician
Ban Length:
9999-01-01 12:00
Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY):
2021-05-19 01:55:16
Round ID:
29807
Ban Reason:
Do your Job. (As engineer did not make any attempt to set up power, and instead went out and about collecting maint loot.) Appeal when you properly understand the priorities of the engineering department. It’s your third highest playtime job, you should know vaguely how it works by now. You didn’t even set up solars.
Appeal Reason:
I went to the SM wiki and tried to read some stuff i see that i should be unbanned because i didn’t know much about electrical stuff and yes it is my third highest played role but my reason for it to be my third that i always went to fix / build only i never tried to set the SM never tried and also setting the solars was my mistake i always thought solars doesn’t do much for the station electricity i thought it’s always the SM but i was proven wrong by the wiki may i add because i was never placed in a situation where i was the only engie it was hard and was a big weight on my back i was just glad it was lifted and i could appeal and not do the same mistake again i tried to tell him that i did not know much about Electrical stuff during the conversation but i felt like he didn’t believe me and thought i was actually lying which i wasn’t i didn’t know anything about them and i can see why it turns out the small job that the engie does on the electrical stuff actually changes if the station will continue to live or no i didn’t know that tho so i hope for a second chance and i have read both wiki’s all i need is to try and build i feel like perma was too much even if i played this role a lot i think he thought i was lying about not knowing anything about electricity also sorry if my english isn’t good enough it’s just not my first language. also i do understand why he might be angry and i am sorry for that and i have already taken action by reading the wiki all i need now is to get the job back to do what is in the wiki and remember it also i wasn’t actually collecting maint loot for me i was getting gas from maint giving it to cargo to sell and wait until an explosion occur because that all i usually did sorry if it seemed i was just going around doing nothing it’s just not i was used it and came with a surprise to be alone as a engie
Additional Information:
I am not new in this server it’s just me who avoided electrical stuff. I only got banned twice once because i just joined and didn’t read server rules and knew nothing and the other because some rules that was changed in the server i did not know about. last thing i was never placed in a situation where i was the only one in engie so i never had the idea of going and learning that instead i went and learned how to build machines i don’t think a perma ban was fair and i believe i have Adhd and will get it checked. Side Note (not trying to be offensive but try to be less aggressive in bans i swear i was trying my best to answer and couldn’t answer fast enough i felt uncomfortable through the half of the conversation when you kept asking the same question over and over i just kept answering by saying i did not know anything about sm and told you i will go out and try to fix the SM but i will need your help because i didn’t know anything about the SM which didn’t happen and i knew any wrong answer will just get me job banned and tried my best to not just leave and say it isn’t worth it, i feel like you felt the conversation went great but in my point of view it was uncomfortable.) this is just my opinion do not take it as an offense i did not know what you thought from your point of view hope i am clear.

Also to be clear when explosion occur i mean that it happens randomly not from the gas so i can go ahead and fix it hope i made that clear enough

Just have to point this out:

THEY CAN’T UNDERSTAND IT BETTER IF THEY’RE PERMA-BANNED FROM THE JOB

This should really be a 3 day job ban rather than a perma-ban. Also it is somewhat believable to believe that you’ve played for as long as an engineer as you have and not know much about the SM. This being a perma ban is ridiculous when you’re trying to expect them to learn from their mistake like this involving a job.

update since Francinum posted tracked playtime
It is 100% believable that you aren’t familiar with the SM

Sage only ban, as they were banned under rule M3

Being clear i have not even once opened the SM before and did that when i got banned the ban actually made me open it i know 21 hours seems a lot but from all these 21 hours there was 2 years gab and months of not playing and learning the game again i did not know how to do the SM and never once tried to do it but now i am actually reading the wiki and learning it like i said i just wish for a second chance for you to believe me that i will do what i learned from the wiki from all this time i haven’t even learned how to do bombs, how to get traitor items like research nodes , slimes , etc haven’t even learned how to build shuttles and a lot because of the years of gabs i know that makes me look bad but with all honesty i did not know how to do SM and i can see why he would think i was lying just a perma ban for my fav job i think wasn’t fair. Hope it’s clear

I’m not the banning admin here.

I was just putting this here with the picture for a better understanding of the situation

Sergi i know it might seem ridiculous but most of us makes mistakes it just differs how big the mistake is from what i saw you had all the rights to ban me and i don’t mind if it was perma i just wish for a second chance to get back and learn the things i did not learn before it’s my apologies if my words sound unclear it’s 5 AM in my country

I’m going to start with some fun facts.

First: Let’s take a screenshot of the engineer wiki page and see if we can determine some of the priorities of the department.

Let’s now observe some things about the Wikipedia page for station engineers.
Notably:

  • There are a couple of really big highlighted links at the top of the page. Neither of these are the guide to construction.
  • Let us also note the “Bare minimum requirements” stated by the wikipedia: " Fix hull breaches, fix cables/APCs if power goes out in an area. Know how Solars and SMES work. Resist the temptation to run off with a hardsuit at roundstart."
  • Let us now note the section titled “Doing your Duty” in which the first three items, in order, are The supermatter engine. The “other engines” implying the Turbine or any atmos engine that applies. And Solars.

Let’s now discuss that second point, the bare minimum requirements. Upon bwoinking you you had made, as far as I could tell zero effort to engage any source of power whatsoever. Not the SM, not the solars, not the turbine.

Now, let me share a check contents I did on you right before initiating the bwoink.

Let me pull some notable items out of that list.

  • engineering hardsuit

So, you

  • took an engineering suit
  • and fucked off into maintenance without ensuring that the most critical part of your job that you took was completed.

Give me a minute and I’ll get logs and post them here.

Alright let me make it clear I haven’t opened a lot of jobs wiki because i thought don’t need to like the Cook wiki clown wiki medical wiki etc the only jobs i have actually read was the heads jobs like captain, head of personal, HOS because it says if you leave you will have to contact an admin so obviously i would take them very serious anything else i haven’t opened them unless they are antag and i would believe alot of people did that and my reason for that i had never done it before i just didn’t because i understood and learned from watching others playing wether that from a youtube video a friend or randoms, second of all i always take hardsuit because i always use them in fixing / building and i want to go back to the start of this reply and say yes it’s my mistake and i will not repeat it again. i never saw the engie wiki and even if the reason i have said it it’s actually my bad and i have read it now with the sm wiki. like i said all i want is a second chance i have said it and i will say it again i do not mind the reasons why i got banned and i have no problems with it i want to just tell you my argument give you my reasons and hope for a second chance because everyone commits mistakes i am trying to be very clear and not trying to be offensive if anything i am actually sorry if i offended you today and hope for you to not take any bad thoughts about me wether it be about my way of appealing or my way of playing the game also i didn’t even know there’s such a thing as a turbine in ss13 also my bad. I want to add this too i always thought the jobs wiki was actually made for fun and info about the jobs like the part where you say don’t run off with hardsuit at the start of the round when i went to read it i thought it was actually a joke not being serious anyway my bad tho and i will take everything in the wiki serious. Yea that too the most cruical part of my job i never thought it was that cruical you know a lot more than i do so what you see as a normal thing that everyone should do it after they join a job is actually different for me because i can’t see from your point of view. i might of played for a lot of time but from the 300 hours+ only 21 went on engie and from these 21 hours a 2 year gab i don’t play engie all day i usually go from a role to another and the role engie was never on my preferences it wasn’t high, Also since i am editing alot on this reply i might aswell add that i play this game only for fun like most of us do we probably have gaming pcs that actually might run games with ultra graphics i have a Rtx and still play this game this game is just fun for me taking a job from me felt like a part from the fun of game got ruined for me and i can’t say it enough i just wish since this is a first to atleast make it a 3 day ban

Say Logs Before the Bwoink

[2021-05-19 01:24:49.318] GAME: Youssw/(Frank Brand) Client Youssw/(Frank Brand) has taken ownership of mob (/mob/living/carbon/human) (start area (8, 174, 1))
[2021-05-19 01:36:00.699] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “AI announce that The captain hates citizens” (Bar (137, 126, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:36:46.417] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “Cargo go to bar for a suprise” (Central Primary Hallway (125, 124, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:12.093] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “no” (Bar (129, 126, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:17.333] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “i am just maint hunting” (Bar (129, 126, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:40.770] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “i don’t know how to set up the SM” (Bar (129, 126, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:43.335] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “so goodluck” (Bar (129, 126, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:52.247] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “maybe solar panels?” (Bar (143, 125, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:39:22.660] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “what” (Starboard Bow Maintenance (135, 145, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:39:33.773] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “what is it” (Locker Room (121, 146, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:39:37.984] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “Sure” (Locker Room (121, 146, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:39:56.423] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “I am traitor is can’t” (Locker Room (121, 146, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:40:00.815] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “i can’t” (Locker Room (121, 146, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:40:08.921] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “I am joking” (Locker Room (121, 146, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:40:23.142] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “whbat” (Central Primary Hallway (101, 145, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:40:41.799] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “they are up” (Central Primary Hallway (93, 145, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:41:52.701] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “We are fucked” (Port Bow Maintenance (71, 169, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:42:26.334] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “Tell them to send an intern” (Port Bow Maintenance (75, 171, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:43:09.166] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “AAA” (Port Bow Maintenance (88, 175, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:43:14.791] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “REVEANT CARGO SHUTTLE!” (Port Bow Maintenance (88, 175, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:43:21.213] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “CARGO MAINT” (Port Bow Maintenance (88, 175, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:45:30.151] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “tell centcom were fucked” (Port Maintenance (84, 148, 2))

The bwoink

[2021-05-19 01:46:12.251] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms)->Youssw/(Frank Brand): Hey
[2021-05-19 01:46:31.528] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): I don’t know how to do SM
[2021-05-19 01:46:41.829] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms)->Youssw/(Frank Brand): Did ya try asking?
[2021-05-19 01:47:07.240] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): i thought CE always does sm i am learning this role
[2021-05-19 01:47:15.925] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms)->Youssw/(Frank Brand): Is ther a CE?
[2021-05-19 01:47:29.356] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): never even tried going near sm it always seemed complicated
[2021-05-19 01:47:47.601] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms)->Youssw/(Frank Brand): So how were you going to supply the station with power?
[2021-05-19 01:47:48.122] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): I mean if you could help me do it#I could do it
[2021-05-19 01:50:07.280] SAY: Youssw/(Frank Brand) “I only learned building stuff” (Brig (97, 163, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:50:11.930] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms)->Youssw/(Frank Brand): So, how’d you try to set up power to the station?
[2021-05-19 01:50:16.465] ADMIN: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms) checked the individual player panel for Youssw/(Frank Brand).
[2021-05-19 01:50:34.651] ADMIN: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms) checked the individual player panel for Youssw/(Frank Brand).
[2021-05-19 01:50:40.316] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): I always was used to fix stuff i never tried to set up power
[2021-05-19 01:50:55.013] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): So i never touched the SM you could teach me when i go out of prison
[2021-05-19 01:50:55.074] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms)->Youssw/(Frank Brand): Well, as the only engineer how were you planning to supply power?
[2021-05-19 01:51:56.510] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): i wasn’t plannin to set up power i was just helping cargo like i always do until i need to fix something
[2021-05-19 01:52:31.226] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #2: Youssw/(Frank Brand): Help me do the SM if you want i will go do it now i understand 0 things i have the Wiki open
[2021-05-19 01:52:35.521] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms)->Youssw/(Frank Brand): So you. An engineer. Did not take into account, that you were the only member of the engineering department. How did you think the station was going to get power?
[2021-05-19 01:53:22.240] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms)->Youssw/(Frank Brand): Also, fun fact, Engineering is your third most commonly played role.
[2021-05-19 01:53:27.977] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): i don’t know man stop asking the same question please i didn’t expect such a small thing will put heavy responibility on my back
[2021-05-19 01:53:41.674] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): I go around fix stuff i never tried SM or Power stuff
[2021-05-19 01:54:43.685] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): This ia fun role because i get to build and fix stuff stop putting claims on me i feel unwelcomed right now please if you wish just help me do the SM and finish this
[2021-05-19 01:55:03.222] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms)->Youssw/(Frank Brand): Well, when you fully understand the responsibilities of the engineering department you can appeal. You didn’t even set up solars.
[2021-05-19 01:55:17.024] ADMINPRIVATE: Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms) has created a local permanent role ban from 3 roles for Youssw. Roles: Chief Engineer, Station Engineer, Atmospheric Technician Reason: Do your Job. (As engineer did not make any attempt to set up power, and instead went out and about collecting maint loot.) Appeal when you properly understand the priorities of the engineering department. It’s your third highest playtime job, you should know vaguely how it works by now. You didn’t even set up solars.
[2021-05-19 01:55:32.719] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Youssw/(Frank Brand)->Sergei Koralev/(Breaks-The-Comms): Thanks for ruining my day have fun

Comm log before bwoink of AI suggesting setting up solars

[2021-05-19 01:36:00.719] TCOMMS: Youssw/(Frank Brand) [Common] (spans: ) “AI announce that The captain hates citizens.” (language: Galactic Common) (Bar (137, 126, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:36:46.438] TCOMMS: Youssw/(Frank Brand) [Common] (spans: ) “Cargo go to bar for a suprise.” (language: Galactic Common) (Central Primary Hallway (125, 124, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:04.096] TCOMMS: [REDACTED1]/(TIGER 9000) [Engineering] (spans: robot command_headset ) “So are you setting up SMES or something?” (language: Galactic Common) (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:12.095] TCOMMS: Youssw/(Frank Brand) [Engineering] (spans: ) “No.” (language: Galactic Common) (Bar (129, 126, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:27.932] TCOMMS: [REDACTED1]/(TIGER 9000) [Engineering] (spans: robot command_headset ) “We’re gonna need power eal soon!” (language: Galactic Common) (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:40.773] TCOMMS: Youssw/(Frank Brand) [Engineering] (spans: ) “I don’t know how to set up the SM.” (language: Galactic Common) (Bar (129, 126, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:43.337] TCOMMS: Youssw/(Frank Brand) [Engineering] (spans: ) “So goodluck.” (language: Galactic Common) (Bar (129, 126, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:52.249] TCOMMS: Youssw/(Frank Brand) [Engineering] (spans: ) “Maybe solar panels?” (language: Galactic Common) (Bar (143, 125, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:37:56.049] TCOMMS: [REDACTED1]/(TIGER 9000) [Engineering] (spans: robot command_headset ) “Then at least wire solars.” (language: Galactic Common) (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
some time later
[2021-05-19 01:41:52.720] TCOMMS: Youssw/(Frank Brand) [Common] (spans: ) “We are fucked.” (language: Galactic Common) (Port Bow Maintenance (71, 169, 2))
[2021-05-19 01:42:26.363] TCOMMS: Youssw/(Frank Brand) [Common] (spans: ) “Tell them to send an intern.” (language: Galactic Common) (Port Bow Maintenance (75, 171, 2))

I want to emphasize this. My issue is not your incompetence. My issue is your refusal to try at all to do a major part of your job. You were specifically told by the AI to at least maybe set up solars. As an admin, I do not care about your level of competency at doing your job, that is what mentorhelps are for, that is what ahelps are for if there are no mentors online. What I care is that you make at least something resembling effort. You were, instead, breaking into cargo and using the power outages to steal N2O canisters from security. From logs I can determine that you didn’t make any changes to any atmos systems, and I also don’t recall seing any of the solars set up. I remember you, in cargo, around a railing protected campfire with a bunch of cardboard performing some cultic ritual.

If you don’t know, that’s fine, but ask for help.

I’m going to reduce this to a week, sage only engineering ban since it seems that you fully understand the gravity that as an engineer, you are not only a hole fixing, machine building, project man. Power is critical, and it’s the engineer’s job to provide it.

Thank you for this, i will also make sure that i do not do the same mistake twice, also i don’t know anything about atmos because the only time i became an atmos by random i quit the game for 2 months not even kidding

Atmos is a matter of being able to follow the flow of the gas. It’s a combination of following the arrows (pumps, filters, mixers), and staring at the pipes until the rest makes sense. I highly encourage you to hop on Golden and learn more about wiring, atmos, and all those lovely intricacies. I would advise that you make it abundantly clear to other engineers, or those to come to try and lynch you if you don’t get power set up, that you don’t know how the SM works. Some, we hope most, may be more than willing to teach you the basics! It’s not uncommon to fail and blow up engines. We’ve all been there, just put the effort in.