What is the rule on grief?

So some antag wanted to steal the energy gun in Charlie Station and I fought back. He killed me, which is fine, but when a scientist walked in he immediately started shooting him too without the scientist initiating the fight.
Afterwards he let his holopara destroy the walls in the station leading to space, intentionally depressurizing it for no reason other than grief, killing the scientist, and later the security guard when he woke up too, ruining the round.
Have any rules been broken here? An admin marked this an IC issue, but I don’t quite agree and am not sure if I should file a player report.

He was antag, he is allowed to grief and murder.

yeah there isn’t a ton wrong with that. Not to say its perfectly correct though. If its sage, they cant just murder random people for kicks, but what they did would be perfectly acceptable on golden.

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But it was without cause.

He killed you and probably expected retaliation from another personnel.
He doesn’t really need a cause to grief some ghost spawner.

Alright, thanks.
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lrp or mrp?

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I doubt you guys were part of his objective, no?
I’m not too sure if antags can just raid charlie, ask the admins I guess.

Nah nah nah on mrp mass murder is only coolio if you are being hunted or if you have hijack and die objectives

I remember allmost a year ago when the rules had misspelled grief as greif.

Murderboning is defined as indiscriminate killing of multiple parties for absolutely no reason. Isolated killings are not murderboning.

He killed only one party (the charlie station crew) and both killings were kinda isolated.
also:

Antagonists need not hesitate to defend themselves or eliminate witnesses, or people who are “in the way”! While deadchat may be salty and yell at you for murderboning, these do not constitute murderbone, even on MRP. This isn’t a hugbox.

They were in the way of getting a gun.

I mean like, we’ve had antags get bwoinked over killing somebody that’s not their target (and was not sec)

Well whoever did so clearly hadn’t read the rule properly. This has since been made clear to all admins, so there should hopefully be less of the hugbox “He kill me and I am not antag target ban he”

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Who did, me or the antag?