Off topic, and he was a nonharmful zombie, not romeral.
Ban appeals arent the place to shitpost either.
At least Toxic had actual points to discuss.
Okay time to not shitpost then.
He was not a romerol zombie, that is good. But the other kind (low-functioning zombies, if I remember correctly) are also very zombie, very non human and very much harmful.
Also it was in the armory, one of the station areas where escalation can speed up (if the escalation council ruling is anything to go by)
And Lube Bob was a borg and that dude that busted a cam in the fucking armory.
. I can understand if that was MRP because MRP is a hugbox place where people go to chill and roleplay. But it was LRP. A deathmatch zone. A place of “low RP chaotic fun”. What is the point of banning for that
The point is not setting a precedent where you can kill a non human that is effectively neutralized and no longer a threat becuase that person is considered non human. you cant dance around the rules just to be a dick and remove someone from a round
LRP or not thats a dangerous precedent to set.
LRP isn’t Deathmatch station, it’s not NRP, it’s LRP.
“LRP chaotic fun” would be stuff like cultists fighting xenos while a singularity is eating the station while being killed for a hater boner isn’t.
The fact that Slav was made by this low function zombie and didnt kill him even further proves the point that Slav was waiting for an opportunity to have something cover his ass so he can follow the behavior described in the many many many notes and the watchlist he has.
retard it’s literally against the rules to kill nonhumans as a borg for no raisin
and I killed him due to having a reason to do so don’t think as if I was waiting to validbait this jew into me killing him, I simply ignored other nonhumans because they didn’t even do anything, it’s even stated in the rulings themselves you can kill nonhumans if they attack a human so this was an example of harm which was indirect
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By your own admission you cant kill kill nonhumans as a borg for no reason.
Once you had him striped and in perma you no longer had a reason to kill him as the threat was neutralized.
Kerbin even said everything was good up until the moment you killed him after perma brigging the guy
no it isnt, permabrig poses more of a threat than a corpse lol. I can think of 9 ways to escape permabrig with nothing but the chair in your cell, while being able to make 3 spears, 6 bolas and poison from the amanita that spawn inside permabrig.
I would 100% wholly execute somebody who shouldve gone in permabrig instead, since if your committing capital crimes, i aint putting up with your shit.
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Problem with that logic is that it’s assumed that you’re a human. Slav is a borg and had a choice to make. Kill em on the spot or Perma them. He literally perma’d them, which, by definition, from the Council Rulings, mean that Slav can’t kill them anymore.
Again, Captains also have to authorize executions, and there’s y’know a sec department AND a lawyer that can keep an eye on permabrig
By council rulings it directly implies “if they do not pose a threat” depending on the crime (in this case, breaking into two high security areas, stealing high value targets, stealing lethal weaponry) as a non human, it is safe to assume that they had the intention to harm a human, and would do so if they escaped - ergo, posing a threat.
Also, no they dont tergius. Spacelaw is a recommendation on LRP, therefor the execution rule is ALSO a recommendation
Plus silicons dont have to follow it and can enforce spacelaw on a case by case basis
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and I killed him due to having a reason to do so don’t think as if I was waiting to validbait this jew into me killing him, I simply ignored other nonhumans because they didn’t even do anything, it’s even stated in the rulings themselves you can kill nonhumans if they attack a human so this was an example of harm which was indirect
This is nonsensical. Your reason (indirect harm? okay then) disappeared as soon as you perma’d them, going to kill them after is just a dick move and cringe validhunting at that point.
@Kerbin_Fiber Why are you still trying to argue with Slav, Joe and Toxic? They are demonstrating the exact same reasoning and rulelawyering here that you banned Slav for in the first place. None of this is a good faith effort by any of them to “contribute in any objective way towards the processing”. All they are doing is throwing their shitty arguments at you to see what sticks.
In nearly every single ban appeal or report they, or somebody like them, do the exact same thing as they are doing here now. They make off-topic posts (which often get flagged) attacking staff or defending rule breakers. The only difference here is is that they are doing it under the guise of ‘valid’ arguments.
Slav literally started of this appeal by calling you a retard. Here you are arguing with somebody whose first course of action in his ban appeal was to call the banning admin a retard. No offense Kerbin, but I am starting to think that might be the only actually valid thing that Slav has said this thread.
Just stop arguing with them Kerbin and deny this appeal. It seems to me that none of them have made an argument that has actually convinced you of any problems with your ban. I highly doubt any of them will do so either.
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I’m conflicted on this, was there any logical reasoning for this player to be in the armory? For example a large threat to the station is present or coming? Were there known lings in the round and did he dispose of the body properly thinking it was a ling? Any reason to suspect the intruder had a suicide device on them and would be a active danger to humans and the station even if confined?
The entire story from both the ‘victim’ and Slav are important here and we have zero context from the ‘victims’ side of things. If for example the blob was taking over the station and security is dead or too busy to hand out weapons to loyal crew I think it would be a violation of the silicon laws to execute a non-human that is trying to gear up and help the human crew as this hinders the well being of the human crew by killing this non-human crew member.
But if this was a self antag or outright antag that was non-human then the typical rules should apply New Rulings
" Escalation may ‘speed’ up or outright be skipped to step 3 to 5 IF : * The trespassing occurs in highly secure areas (Vault, Armory, AI Upload/Core)"
Given that Slav says this intruder was already armed by the time they found them with lethal weapons and again being non-human that sounds like it’s a perfectly fine reason for a borg to kill a non-human player with that law set.
But despite all this Kerbin is technically right too…
“Prisoners cannot be assumed harmful, unless evidence to the contrary exists… If you do not know the nature of their crime, see above, as to release them would be acting with minimal information. If they are human and at risk, you obviously must let them out, though.”
Because Slav decided to take the ‘victim’ into custody instead of killing them on the spot first. This turns the ‘victim’ from a active threat into a prisoner. Because the prisoner was stripped from any weapons and taken into custody it seems that they would be protected by this council ruling.
I think slav deserves to be unbanned because he’s mostly just caught on a technicality and would have been fine if he had simply killed the ‘victim’ on sight (assuming there wasn’t a good reason for the ‘victim’ to be in there still) did he break a rule? Yes, but it’s clear that he didn’t intentionally go out of his way to break it. This was a product of the unique situation and likely never thought of himself doing any wrong at the time.
A pretty good analysis of this particular situation, but you are forgetting that this isn’t just some random player. It’s Slav. He got banned because this isn’t an isolated incident with him according to Kerbin. So whilst your general analysis might be true, it doesn’t apply to Slav.
And the part about Slav not intentionally going out of his way to break a rule? That’s the entire reason for this ban. He’s trying to be the shittiest player he can be without breaking rules (rulelawyering) which itself breaks the rules.
Bruh is it based if you make up some jew image of me just so you could shit on me
Also this was the only time I did this thing bruh
Also I got perma’d from MRP 1 month ago for turning 3 people into gorrilas, nothing very serious
If you exclude all your filter bypass bans over half your bans are for overescalation and even if it’s the first time, you’re always trying your best to fuck other people over.
A guy tried to start a petition to get your ass banned.
People have had enough of your and the other retards’ shit and you just laugh it up while jerking each other off on the forums, just waiting to get unbanned and ruin someone elses round as soon as you get the chance to. Pure cringe
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I have to show my points on this appeal because this is probably one of the very very very few bans stemming from a breach of Rule 1. And I have to not look like a badmin and go, “haha no stay banned nerd.”
I’ll give two more days for any other admins to come in here and voice their opinions on this.
If no one comes in and changes my mind, this appeal will be denied.
Fair ban.
I’m not going to reiterate the many valid points to argue with the amount of rules lawyering going on here.
You stopped the threat, brigged them, and then slaughtered them for the lulz.
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