So currently ipcs have different “frames” To choose from, you can get bulky military model, light doctor model or some kind of civilian models.
Thing is ipc have ability to slide out a charger from their arm, what if they also could slide out job specific item like the doctor frame would have nerfed hypospray ?
instead of choosing it in setup it should be job specific.
to be honest, ipcs are currently fairly balanced (if not already overpowered) and buffing them any more would make them overpowered
haha welder/emp/fire go Brrrr
yeah, they suck ass in pvp but the fact they dont need to breathe and are immune to the cold is enough to make them extremly powerful in non-combat situations, hell they can just chill in a plasmafire if they got a firesuit
so instead of round start upgrade it would be a new node after IPC parts for job specific upgrades that have to be installed?
actually that sounds pretty based, race-locked implants
If you want to be a mob that can draw power from APCs, fucking dies at the first hint of an EMP, and has a specific job-related item integrated into themselves… You could just pick borg.
IPCs are fine as they are.
IPC’s are already powerful, buffing them more would make them straight up OP
IPC are locked out of gene so think of it as a replacement
genetics AND nanites. I dont know if stablized slime extracts work on them.
they do
idk why they heal from slimes
i dont ask
Slimes are magic, that’s why
Besides, something like this wouldn’t work on beestation, i could see it work on actual an MRP server but on bee everyone would just pick the frame that has the best validhunt capabilities.
That’s just implants with fewer steps… Hell, implanting upgrade as IPC is super easy too, since you can just go to dorms for a drape with tools and do self-surgery. This is just redundant.
To add to this IPC’s are already the most powerfull roundstart race by far.
IPCs in particular are something that people frequently shout at the top of their lungs that they’re balanced just fine, that their cons outweigh their pros, but in reality, IPCs are almost always a powergamer’s wet dream. In pretty much every codebase in which IPCs have mechanical differences from humans, the pros outweigh the cons, especially when two or more IPCs group up with each other. Oracle IPCs are definitely a step towards balanced IPCs, yeah, but there’s still quite a few glaring issues.
So let’s take each individual pro/con about the IPCs , and go into detail of what exactly they entail, and how they can maybe be improved.
Combat on SS13 is stunbased. This is mostly irrelevant outside of casual play. This is made even more irrelevant in a tidbit I’ll cover later. This scores a solid gold star, “you tried” in terms of balancing attempts. If you want to make powergamers see this as an actual con, try making stun times be affected on top of this. A 1.25x multiplier for all stun lengths should be plenty enough to make IPCs be frail glass cannons in combat, even when played by seasoned powergamers.
Being unable to have your DNA modified is more of a pro than a con, but being unable to be cloned is actually a somewhat significant downside, since it means that if you fuck up, you’re gone for good. However, this is mitigated by a point that I’ll cover later.
Not that big of a downside. If IPCs become the meta race, then EMPs are pretty much guaranteed to completely fade away from the meta, since EMPs have inherent AoE properties that make them impossible to safely use as an IPC. And even if IPCs don’t end up becoming the meta race, EMPs are still rarely ever used or even glanced at ingame, simply because the situations in which an EMP’s actually necessary are so rare it’s not even funny.
Not too big of an upside, it’s a nice fluff feature, but does help shave off some of the time necessary to break into departments via cutting power to the APC.
This completely, COMPLETELY nullifies one of their primary downsides, which is their lack of cloning. Reviving a dead IPC should take a lot more than just welding and cable coiling their parts until they become vertical again, since one of their downsides is supposed to be that death is the end for them. Perhaps making their revival require putting their brain into a new body, accompanied with a lengthy surgery, can make this a little less of a nullification of one of their major downsides.
This isn’t much of a con due to something I’ll be covering later, but this is a pretty significant pro. This completely nullifies the stuns and insta-death that chemists and bartenders are capable of pumping out via syringe gun, making IPCs a hard counter to chemists. This is just another support beam in their status as an upgrade from baseline humans. This would be fine if it were balanced out by sufficient cons.
This basically nullifies one of their major downsides, their being able to be dismembered with ease. This can be made a little less broken by making freshly reattached limbs simply not function until the limb’s “recalibrated” via paperclip screwdriver.
This is a significant upside, as this lets IPCs spacewalk indefinitely, something that other roundstart races do not have the luxury of. Being able to survive in space is a pretty significant advantage, as it allows for swift, stealthy hull breaches in a matter of seconds, and makes it pretty hard for victims to fight back. Not having to worry about internals means that IPCs can hang around space for however long they want, and no other roundstart species will be able to do anything about it. A better way to handle this would be to make it so IPCs still have to “breathe”, but not in the traditional sense. Make IPC body temperature match the air that they “breathe”, and make it so that they heat up the air they use up while “breathing”, returning the “breathed” air to the atmosphere/internals after their “breath”. This will add an interesting mechanic for IPCs to be wary of, and will add some extremely interesting emergent gameplay once folks learn what being a literal toaster entails, all while solving the problem of IPCs being able to spacewalk indefinitely care-free.
This is their biggest pro. Cable coil and welding tools are insanely common. They’re a lot more common than medical supplies, and it’s pretty damn easy to drop by tool storage to grab a full toolbelt every round. This basically means that IPC healing is 100% free. All other roundstart species have to take a stop at medbay to heal up 90% of the time, but IPCs get the luxury of being able to heal any time, anywhere, all without having to allocate any of their inventory space for a medkit or equivalent. Combined with their REVIVESBYHEALING trait, this means IPCs can be brought back to life on the spot by any random joe with a welding tool and cable coil, and makes a pair/group of powergaming IPCs more or less immortal. This upside would be fine if it were balanced out by sufficient downsides.
TL;DR: Their pros far outweigh their cons
u say ipc strong but i never was defeated once by ipc in my 600 hours on bee.
They are good if you are a pacifist though.
edit; my experience as ipc was that i dont die much, but fighting was 5 times harder, once i switched to human then holy fuck i felt robust
Yes, because your personal experience is the one omni-applicable truth that applies to the entire game.
600 h of interacting with the toasters and even being them vs shitty data that doesnt prove anything if its not tested big brain moment
I used to be an IPC main Security Officer for quite some time and nearly every single round i would easily arrest/kill several antags with getting out alive nearly every time.
solo’ing a xeno queen and a dozen other xenos because i had a shotgun, was immune to facehuggers, and can get space protection on the fly by using firesuits, the idea is to not even get hit in the first place which is a pretty easy thing to do, nobody should be able to go solo-rambo-lonewolf this easily and then even succeed with it.
In the hands of Casual Players IPC’s are mediocre at best, in the hands of experienced players they quickly become way more powerfull than any other roundstart race you can choose from.
