TeutonicRoom 14 day ban

Title: teutonicroom global ban by ta3370

CKEY: teutonicroom

Admin’s CKEY: ta3370

Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: global ban from all servers

Ban Type: global ban

Ban Length: 14 days

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 2020-10-15 19:51

Round ID: 22660

Ban Reason: As EMT, Gondola-meated an already bucklecuffed scientist “Because he seemed like a troublemaker” rather than just bringing them to security. You obviously need time to read the server rules and cool down, you have several notes for overescalation. Auth: Llol111

Appeal Reason: As defined by 4. No Self-Antagging or Grief

Self-antagging includes damaging the station, attacking other players without a valid reason, and subverting the established chain of command as a non-antagonist role.

Griefing includes intentionally ruining the game by abusing ingame mechanics (exploits, force crashes/lag, spamming shuttle delay, ect.)

You may defend yourself against others in any way you are capable, but you must avoid escalating the situation if possible.

Gondola meating a scientist does not fit the description of griefing, attacking another player, or subverting the chain of command. It also does not stop their gameplay as they can continue play as a gondola. On top of that in the description why it has left out my defense and only quoted part of what I stated.

Additional Information: The scientists came into the bar where I was cooking with the chef, we made raw gondola cutlet meat bread, which I cut up into pieces. The scientist picked a fight with a sec officer and was arrested. He was dragged away, he then showed back up cuffed, he asked me to uncuff him, I instead dragged him and buckled him to the bed, I then fed him gondola meat and took him back to sec where I explained he was an escaped criminal. Afterward he picked a fight with an assistant who had a chainsaw arm (not a very smart greyshirt), I shot him with morphine and dragged him to the front of med and left him there. At least 30min later I get an ahelp message about turning multiple people into gondolas, now I only force fed a single individual gondola meat, everyone else would have knowingly ate the meat the chef and I prepared, to which the lizardman chef thought was a hilarious idea, the admin and I had a back and forth for around five minutes to which my last reply was “no I forcefed him the gondola meat and then took him to sec, because he seemed like a trouble maker.” The admin then said nothing back and banned me without warning. If anything I am guilty of a hilarious prank that turned a self antaging greyshirt into a harmless gondola, otherwise everyone else should have been aware that eating raw gondola meat turns one into a gondola, I will also mention during this round med was blown up by unknown causes and I valiantly saved three people who were killed by pod cloning them as the cloning machine had been destroyed, I say when weighed against the harmless prank which is not defined as antaging I have not only proven my innocence, but also absolved myself of any undefined-antaging. Also I have not played on Beestation for quite some time now so previous escalations should be noted with that in mind, otherwise I brought several people to med during that round who had been injured or captured by the abductors and experimented on.

Yes indeed, taking from him ability to speak, pick up items or do his assigned job for whole round is not grief or assault, big brain moment.

Forcing someone to consume illegal drugs is assault, on top of that gondola is a curable disease with pure capsaicin, AKA pepper spray

is curable

Yes and? You shouldn’t give them gondola meat in the first place

bro just get that peperspray bro, why wont you get that peperspray ?

also exposing him and not curing is your fault lol

Assault on an officer is a demote offense, resisting arrest and evading arrest is also a crime, so I did not prevent him from doing his job as technically he shouldn’t have had one anyway. And I pacified him from assaulting anyone else.

So because it wasn’t drugs its not assault, and because he technically should have been demoted for attacking an officer its not griefing because he didn’t have a job, try again.

It does and is a griefing.

yes I will counter self antag with more self antag that’s a good idea. Who knows he could’ve been an antag? You are not the one to judge and punish people for breaking the rules.

you could consider it grand sabotage, but because he was supposed to be a greyshirt, it really didn’t subvert anything, and the only possible self antag was the forced eating of gondola meat, someone who has already been cuffed and taken away to sec and then escaped is actually a valid target to be rearrested by anyone wanting to help apprehend the target so buckling him to my roller bed and taking him back is not self antag, theres only one potential self antag.

You ruined his round

No, that’s called validhunting and is not allowed on mrp.

That was not validhunting, he was a criminal, who escaped and asked me to aid and abet him, which could have landed me the same crime which was assault on an officer, criminals are valid. to quote rule 3. Once a player is valid, they can be killed or punished by other ingame means.

Lest it be known, that if the scientist too broke rules, they should not be overlooked either.

@TeutonicRoom force gondala’ing someone is on par with execution (and destruction of body) fyi

Edit: 1 griefed guy / kill is 2 weeks ban? The duration is what needs to be tweaked to fit regular standards of like, 3 days.

actually it would be an undefined area, borging someone is equal to execution, and their body is still there just in gondola form, which can be cured, borging cannot

You are reading lrp rules. Criminals are not valid on mrp.

No, it’s clearly defined, and I 100% agree with Demedisco.

By feeding someone gondola meat you are force polymorphing them, force polymorphing someone is considered major self antagging. Also you trying to do sec’s job while you were not sec that round, you are suppose to be a professional. EMT’s are not vigilante crime fighters, your job is to find/look out for hurt people outside of medbay and stabilize them to bring them back to medbay. Even if there is a cure to being a gondola, force polymorphing someone is major selfantaging and dick behavior.

force polymorph as non antag is not described in the mrp rules as a self antag, on top of that according to space law one is allowed to make a citizens arrest, which I did, then I fed him the gondola meat, then I took him to sec

in addition to that I could state that it was simply RP malpractice, and that the chef collaborated with me, seeing as he was given a gondola from the start and I was simply assisting him in distributing the gondola meat

which very well could have been his objective.

Yes but only if they commit a really bad crime and you are not the one who decides their fate on MRP. Valid rules are for LRP.

It’s exactly opposite of the thinf you said lol.

Objective to force people into becoming gondolas? Thats new.

Ban should stay, even cooking gondola meat can be self antag too because they get disguised as normal meat and cause people to become gondolas, let alone force feeding someone with gondola meat.

And quote from the additional ruleset for MRP.

“Forcibly changing another player’s race or transforming them without their direct consent is self-antag.”

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