Rublax banned by Kasual

CKEY: Rublax

Admin’s CKEY: Kasual

Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: Global

Ban Type: Server

Ban Length: 8 days

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 2/22/2020

Round ID: 12796

Ban Reason: Threw a brand new player into a infinite delivery loop as non antag on Golden. Global ban auth Zesk

Appeal Reason: i threw a random chemist into a infinite disposal loop because he was cuffed and running from the ce and I got damn 8 days

Additional Information: as i put it in my salty #general post:
see ce building infinite disposal loop
try to help him with it bc it not working
leave
he says over comms he fixed it
go over
a random chemist who threw space drug pills at me earlier is cuffed running from the CE
hmmm antag?
grab them
throw them into the loop
bwoink
“infinite disposal loop?”
“yes”
game freezes
bruh
8 day ban
like honkhonkclown said, how the hell was I supposed to know he was new? I saw him earlier in the round and he asked me “You want some poppers?” and threw space drug pills on the floor. didnt assume he was new, atleast somewhat experienced since he figured out to make space drug pills.

I can understand a ban but 8 days is a bit much dont you think? If you saw a cuffed guy running from a head of staff, what would you think? maybe you wouldnt throw him into a disposal loop but its an easy fix to get him out anyways

I just want it lowered from 8 days

as he said, how the fuck are we supposed to assume, oh lmao new player be nice to him when the only experience any of us have of him is him acting like a normal choomist throwing floorpills at people and dicking around. That doesn’t scream BRAND NEW PLAYER DOESNT KNOW SHIT and people that are running around throwing floorpills seem like the type to be able to handle bants.

im gonna throw someone who’s running from a person that can potentionally be a traitor into an infinite dispoals loop :drooling_face:

it could’ve been the other way around
ce was chilling with for the 20 minutes I played so I had no reason to assume he was a traitor
I saw the chemist throwing drug pills on the floor

who would you think was a tator/criminal?

the CE because chemists throwing drug pills on the floor is completely normal?

true
if ce was a tator i doubt he would have no sunglasses on and be building an infinite disposal loop instead of doing his objs and calling shuttle

Damn that’s funny because only antags are allowed to trap people in infinite loops for no reason like you did

wheres it say dat doe

edit Why is this flagged this is totes on topic because of the similarities between the two. He wanted precedence of such a thing being punishable which I provided.

I would assume it is considered kidnapping and false imprisonment, which there is a precedent for because of well… me… I use to do it as mime and make the other player into my baby or doll. Play dress up, dance, feed them when they get hungry, you know wholesome fun.

This was allowed for literally months with council and admins once in a blue moon popping in and questioning what I was doing but always shrugging because I would always never harm the person and eventually let them go. That was until of course, Toxic came along who hated me banned me and made it sound like I was doing things much worse than I actually was. Zanos totes hated me too so no surprise he backed it.

You can see the ban listed as the 3rd recent https://beestation13.com/bans?q=zoeythezany

If I do recall correctly I successfully repealed it cause like again I was allowed for months to do this by all levels of staff so this sudden change without notice wasn’t fair. But I was told to stop in the future which is why none of you boys have been kidnapped and put into a chicken suit and forced to dance the hokey pokey with me to be freed for so long. I actually hope you win this appeal though cause if you do that means I totes should be able to kidnap again!

Still there is precedent now for it not being allowed so don’t count your chances to be high… but good luck hun!

Before I go to bed Ill throw my response up. It will be copy and pasted to both ban appeals since they are identical situations. Both of you self-antagged/griefed, as well as breaking rule 1 taking a guy out of the round effectively if no one else intervened.

First off you are both mentors, the only mentors we had on the server at the time.

This is the two of you building the infinite loop. Both as non-antags. There are a lot of these so only posting a sample.

> [2020-02-23 02:56:38.030] SAY: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) "It doesnt work" (Starboard Primary Hallway (136, 128, 2))
> [2020-02-23 02:56:48.135] SAY: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) "theres only one entrance and no exit" (Starboard Primary Hallway (135, 130, 2))
> [2020-02-23 02:56:50.867] SAY: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) "what isn't welded" (Starboard Primary Hallway (135, 130, 2))
> [2020-02-23 02:56:56.014] SAY: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) "No its the chute" (Starboard Primary Hallway (134, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 02:56:59.478] SAY: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) "Pass the RPD" (Starboard Primary Hallway (134, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 02:57:46.391] ATTACK: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) has attacked [delivery chute] with the welding tool (Starboard Primary Hallway (134, 128, 2))
> [2020-02-23 02:57:47.026] ATTACK: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) has attacked [delivery chute] with the experimental welding tool (Starboard Primary Hallway (136, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:04:21.425] ATTACK: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) has attacked [disposal pipe] with the hand drill (Starboard Primary Hallway (135, 128, 2))

This is Honk going and grabbing the chemist. Looking through the logs does get me a bit tilt which isn’t really common. The dude was excited and roleplaying with people as a chemist. He was talking with a borg about cures and testing recipes and all that good innocent shit people do when they are just getting into a game. Yes you had no way of knowing the player was new, but you are playing on a station advertised for new people with a senior title of mentor. As non-antags with literally no provocation you decided to methodically build out a infinite loop to shove people in.

> [2020-02-23 03:08:10.269] ATTACK: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) has stunned NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)  (Chemistry (133, 124, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:08:15.304] ATTACK: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) has stunned WhyamIhere/(INC-155) with the telescopic baton (NEWHP: 100)  (Chemistry (133, 124, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:08:23.458] ATTACK: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) has handcuffed NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) (NEWHP: 100)  (Chemistry (133, 125, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:08:37.745] SAY: NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) "what did I do???" (Starboard Primary Hallway (134, 128, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:08:46.036] SAY: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) "luhmao" (Starboard Primary Hallway (135, 130, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:08:51.290] SAY: NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) "im innocent" (Starboard Primary Hallway (137, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:08:52.225] SAY: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) "meme hell" (Starboard Primary Hallway (136, 130, 2))

Rublax catching them as they run off and throwing them in the loop

> [2020-02-23 03:10:11.640] ATTACK: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) has flashed(AOE) NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) with the flash (NEWHP: 90)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (133, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:10:17.769] ATTACK: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) has grabbed NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 85)  (Central Primary Hallway (129, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:10:23.779] ATTACK: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) has thrown NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) grab from tile in Starboard Primary Hallway (133, 129, 2) towards tile at Starboard Primary Hallway (137, 129, 2) (NEWHP: 80)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (133, 129, 2))

Rublax destroys the communication consoles shortly after, which is additional self-antag.

> [2020-02-23 03:13:09.347] ATTACK: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) has attacked [communications console] with the fire axe (Wielded) (Bridge (113, 137, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:13:15.178] ATTACK: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) has attacked [communications console] with the fire axe (Wielded) (Captain's Office (120, 125, 2))

You guys talking after he was thrown in showing the intention of putting more people in if you weren’t banned or stopped.

> [2020-02-23 03:09:24.578] SAY: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) "bro..." (Starboard Primary Hallway (137, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:09:39.453] SAY: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) "fucking" (Starboard Primary Hallway (136, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:09:41.405] SAY: Rublax/(Joey 'Skinhead' Diaz) "Damn hos" (Starboard Primary Hallway (136, 128, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:09:43.831] SAY: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) "now I had to let the other guy escape" (Starboard Primary Hallway (136, 129, 2))
> ===Boi gets thrown in===
> [2020-02-23 03:10:26.363] SAY: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) "gamered" (Starboard Primary Hallway (132, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:10:29.041] SAY: Honkhonkclown/(Choom Ist) "lets get the ipc now" (Starboard Primary Hallway (132, 129, 2))

This is the player they threw in not having any god damn idea what was happening. He spent about 5 minutes listening to that clong shit with his camera being thrown all over the floor until I teleported him out once I saw that the fingerprint variables were Rublaxs and he wasnt an antag.

> [2020-02-23 03:10:45.771] SAY: NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) "aaaaa" (Starboard Primary Hallway (137, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:10:54.304] SAY: NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) "where the heck am i" (Starboard Primary Hallway (138, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:11:07.977] SAY: NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) "im in a chute?" (Starboard Primary Hallway (137, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:11:32.496] SAY: NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) "help" (Starboard Primary Hallway (138, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:14:40.195] SAY: NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) "im stuck in a delivery loop?" (Starboard Primary Hallway (138, 129, 2))
> [2020-02-23 03:14:41.044] ADMIN: Kasual/(Kasual Greene) teleported NuteIla/(Samuel Snakes) to Starboard Primary Hallway (141, 128, 2)

Both of you have so many shitty notes. 3 pages each. Multiple this month. Meta grudging, self antagging, word filter. It’s wild, and I don’t understand why it seems that people who know the most about the game and can offer the most to new players are the ones leading the fight to drive them away…

like I said, i understand the ban but really? 8 days? I feel like the long janky-time ban was driven mostly by the fact that he was a new player. Im fine with being banned, but 8 days seems a bit unfair to me. I had no way of knowing, like I said. I destroyed the comms consoles so that nobody recalled since SM blew up, and I left after throwing the chemist in. I dont know where you got the

also I never metagrudged anyone b4 so idk where that came from

Bruh. Why do you keep saying 8 days. Open a calendar. Put your finger on the 23rd. Move your finger down one. It should be on the 1st. That is a week. Your ban started on the 23rd and ends on the 1st.

You were working with honk from start to finish. He said it was time to get the IPC referring to the other person they were trying to throw in. I’d have to double check but it is the second person he telescopic’d. You also flashed the IPC although it may have been collateral.

I never said you were metagrudging. And the ban length is based off of you both being mentors with repeated offenses of knowingly self antagging or over-escalating.

The dude being a new player got me tilt, but I would go for the same thing if it was anyone else. It wasn’t a beat a guy to death in the moment for nothing, it was let’s build a infinite loop and just start hucking people in on low-pop bee. It took time, effort, and a persistent motivation to greif people.

Like I said, I never metagrudged, and i’ve said the n word on mentorchat once to see if it would go through

I was banned last night, the 22nd, at like 10:15pm maybe.
Ban ends at 2020-03-01

8 days.

You are using your local time zone for the start, and bees time zone for the end in your head. Adjust the ban end date for whatever time zone you are in.

I generalized your bans together. Yours are more specifically tiding, self antagging, and griefing. Much more in line with this threads ban, showing repeated breaking of the same rule.

They was bored
Unban them while a bigger discussion on what to do with bee is taking place

The round wasn’t even an hour in when they started building the loop. And the player that got griffed wasn’t bored. The server identity crisis and Golden low pop isn’t a pass to self antag, it just makes the problem worse. And again, if it wasn’t a repeating offense issue it prolly would’ve just been a note. Unless another admin weighs in differently I’m sticking with the original ban.

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Exactly, why are people going to go on LRP if they are just going to victimized and have their rounds ruined? If those who advocate trying to breathe life on LRP truly meant it they would instead try to make rounds more enjoyable for everyone.

Locking as this ban has already expired.