Sorry for the late reply, I actually forgot about this appeal since I got distracted by IRL things and work, and wasn’t playing SS13 at all as Deltarune Chapter 2 also released around the same time haha.
Anyways, I’ve noticed no other admins (or relevant commenters) have since chipped in on this situation, I’m sure this has gone for a bit long and even stagnated, so I’d like to make a (relatively not really) short final statement and final appeal as to not waste words upon words going over nuance.
I want to start off by citing the main reasons I have been banned, “Impromptu Nations, assisting a traitor and murder for no good reason”.
I’ve already shown that the Impromptu Nations claim doesn’t really stand in this situation, as there was no declaring independence from Nanotrasen or denying crewmembers service or hunting down other departments.
And for assisting a traitor and murder for no good reason, I’ve already said that my assistance to the QM was minor at best and I more or less had a Non Aggression Pact with the Sec Slaying Lizard as I was legitimately not trying to get killed as well.
Now to address what you’ve said.
An attempt was made:
The best option was to just not kick them to death. You were not a threat to the QM in any way as you state, so merely sitting by and not helping the self antagger would’ve been fine.
I’ve already stated that since logs are not public (so I couldn’t verify anything before making a statement), and that the incident happened a while ago as well as the fact that I didn’t pay much mind to it I may have forgotten some details so I ask for some leniency in recalling certain events.
Now I argue that my statement of my aid not being significant Is still true, considering that since they were surrounded by both the QM and Cargo Tech, that they would have been shoved and kicked into crit despite my involvement, as they were in tandem shoving them down, then proceeding to kick them down even further (notice how I don’t say to death) to the point where they entered critical condition, you could say that even if I intervened or not the outcome would have been the same. I argue that me participating and shoving them down, and proceeding to kick them only 4 times while down, while yes was assistance to the crime at hand, was not murder or quote attempting to “kick the HoP dead”. You state that the best option was to “Not kick them to death”, however I only kicked them for a total of 4 times, and their last HP readings of my involvement had them in soft crit iirc essentially stopping when they had no means to defend themselves any longer or cause any more issues which proves the simple fact that I was not the one to kill the HoP. I also address the statement that “merely sitting by and not helping the self antagger would’ve been fine”, I hardly consider the Traitor QM who was the first member to start kicking the HoP to be a self antag, and to omit this fact and word it as if I was solely helping James the Cargo Tech beat them down is quite the choice of wording to make considering that all 3 were involved. I argue I was working in the best interests of my well being considering that command and authority had been usurped, and like prior said I did not very much intend for them to actually be killed nor actually pursued for their death. I was expecting someone would drag them to the Shuttle Medbay or something but as you know they got thrown off the shuttle after they got taken from Iga’s grasp which I assume was someone trying to help them (and to which I did not attempt to stop as I already considered the situation to be done with).
Yelling that you are a part of the self antag’s and real antag’s crew didn’t help but doesn’t really make much difference to your choice to kick the HoP dead.
QM was the leader of this group, who was an antag first and foremost. I did not help the Cargo Technician with anything much outside of the aforementioned shuttle incident which was something that escalated because of the QM’s Traitor’s kicking. And I already addressed the “kick the HoP dead” part of that statement as being wholly untrue.
Security is generally fair game for antags as they are a threat to completing your objectives, command is also accepted for things like access or if they were impeding in your way
This is true, however this is referring to outright killing those parties, in which while you can say I assisted in, killing the HoP was something that I personally did not do, and was not my true intention at all as I had no idea that the decked out Traitor Lizardski was going to space them not seconds later and the fact that I kicked them for a total of 4 times, stopping when I saw that they were in critical condition and therefore unable to defend themselves.
In this case the HoP was useful for neither and was RDMd when getting on the shuttle.
RDM (Random Deathmatch) Is typically used when someone attacks someone for absolutely no reason (ie; an assistant immediately toolboxing someone right off the arrivals shuttle), there were reasons for this as previously said, being that the HoP was extremely agitated and very keen on murderous intent. As a group, we had ample reason to engage in the incident, which didn’t end with the group or me personally killing them, but actually ended when the All-Slaying Traitor Lizard dragged and chucked them off the shuttle.
Your recent previous note for maxcapping medbay as obsessed was taken into consideration.
I don’t mean to undermine your ruling, but I have a good feeling that maxcapping medbay is infinitely much more of an issue than shoving and then kicking a singular HoP 4 times is. And this brings me back to my first part of the appeal, where I even said that an Obsessed Antag Ban would’ve been infinitely more appropriate as this more or less seems to less be a problem with general antagging and collaterally messing with other people’s rounds as a result but instead the fact that the Obsessed Role falls in a weird middle grounds of psuedo-antag which can be a whole different discussion in itself as that falls more into how an Obsessed should be played out as, not to say that being an Obsessed means you can “do whatever”, but that It seems to be really really restrictive and odd in what Is, and Isn’t acceptable as shown with this entire appeal (to which I’d say granting them multiple killing objectives doesn’t really help in having a non-round disrupting antagonist which is what I assume it’s supposed to be going off of considering the innerworkings and reasonings behind this ban).
Which brings me back to “oh sweet I’m antag time to cargonia”
This statement was a result of Impromptu Nations, which I’ve already said was not the case in my previous appeal messages. In addition, I wasn’t using the Obsessed role as an excuse to unnecessarily kill people or disrupt the station as previously stated.
Anyways, once again I cite the initial ban reasoning so we can focus on the core reasoning. “Impromptu Nations, assisting a traitor and murder for no good reason…”.
Like shown and stated, It was not an Impromptu Nation situation, and I had ample reason to somewhat assist the traitor and murderer, rendering the initial reasons for the ban to be misplaced and offhand. Which allows me to confidently say, that this ban should be appealed, all facts considered.
So needless to say, this will be my last post and statement considering this entire situation. I will definitely be taking Obsessed off my antag list as it’s caused me more than enough trouble. I’m honestly surprised it’s been held at uncertainty for so long, but I’m not really worried by it either way as in the end it’s just a game, I just wish for this misplaced ban to not taint my record as an SS13 player considering Beestation bans are public and consequentially can be used in the future of my time here to facilitate harsher bans which Is not too good. I only appeal notes and bans that I deem to be either untrue or made in error and/ or haste, which is why I have such a firm stance on the reversing of this ban and resulting note.
Thanks for reading, surely this can be resolved soon enough. Good tidings.