PerishedFraud banned by Geatish

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CKEY: PerishedFraud

Admin’s CKEY: Geatish

Ban Type: server

Ban Length: forever

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 04-11-2025

Round ID: 52231

Ban Reason: suciding very early in round. repeat history was cited as well.

Appeal Reason:

There are two reasons for this ban being total nonsense.

Number one: After the bwoink, I outright stated that I only suicided because I had to go urgently. I had extremely litle time because it was a great emergency, and I do not have echo dorms memorized, nor medical access that round. The only other option was to just leave the game, which is no better! In fact it makes players continue interacting with the hope of my return, which I knew wasn’t going to happen!

Despite me saying this and even telling Geat to just message me later, I returned home hours later to find a ban telling me to go to forums. Even worse, it seems he used (or, abused) note history to make it permanent.

Number two: The note history itself. It’s nothing new that our system, which keeps old ban reasons and notes forever, is incredibly dystopian and abusable. I think I can reasonably say that any responsible admin will not look at ancient history when dishing out punishments. Despite this, Geatish speedran a permaban.

Let’s take a look at the prior incidents!

The current ban date: 2025-04-11
The prior indicent: 2025-01-15 - this is three months ago.
The one before that: 2024-02-01 - this is fourteen months ago.
The one before that: 2023-03-31 - this is more than two years ago.

I’m sorry, but you cannot tell me that using references other than the 2025-01-15 one is anything but a gesture of bad faith. This is for suicides, by the way. This isn’t a multi-year history of griefing or something similar - he permabanned me because I suicided 14 and 25 months ago.

Not to mention that it’s not even a repeat incident, because it’s not a ragequit, I had to leave!! If my response in the bwoink is totally ignored, or taken as a lie, what’s the point of the bwoink?

If history dating back to 14 or 25 months can be used as ammo against me, what about me historically never lying in an ahelp or bwoink? I suppose that just vanishes because it’s more convenient to assume I’m full of shit??

Unban.

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It’s standard practice to issue a permanent ban for a bwoink in which the player leaves before a discussion can take place, because of your emergency that was the case here - you even outright said you couldn’t stay around.

You gave an explanation but were unable to be present for the larger discussion that needed to happen.

As soon as the game is closed you are marked as SSD with a blank stare. An ahelp can tell us we need to move you to cryo with admin commands.

That’s the expectation when you need to leave.

Suicide by any means should only be done as part of in-character motivation within the round same as anything else. Suicide for no reason is much more jarring to the round than going SSD and is breaking the first and arguably most important rule of the station which is that you should be roleplaying a character.

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As soon as the game is closed you are marked as SSD with a blank stare. An ahelp can tell us we need to move you to cryo with admin commands.

Reasonable, but did not think of ahelping for cryo at the moment. I did have to prepare and rush outside suddenly…

Suicide by any means should only be done as part of in-character motivation within the round same as anything else. Suicide for no reason is much more jarring to the round than going SSD and is breaking the first and arguably most important rule of the station which is that you should be roleplaying a character.

I don’t think it’s as binary as it’s presented here. Yeah suicide is bad, but going full SSD in the middle of a confrontation is also incredibly bad. In fact I can bet that I’d get a bwoink for it if I just left the game open normally. If I went SSD, players might assume I got DCd or am just temporarily gone, when I knew I was done for the day. Yeah, if I explained it in LOOC and then went SSD it would’ve worked, but I looked for the fastest way out and that was the pickaxe lobotomy, which at least ensured the officer wouldn’t waste their round time processing me.

To conclude: sure, there’s better solutions than what I did, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to suggest them when I had basically no time to think it over. There’s thus nothing I can truly take away from this, because in a calmer situation I’d have reached the same conclusions, and in all honesty would’ve just found dorms eventually anyway. The primary issue was just an extreme lack of time.

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In worst case, you can message an admin on Discord asking them to cryo you.

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As ruko already stated, this is not a perma ban, but a ban until explained.

I don’t fully believe that you are telling the full truth here, that there is something else behind this after reading the logs:

You join in as an assistant and trespass into cargo exactly two minutes from joining the round.
[2025-04-11 20:20:02.972] SAY: PerishedFraud(Boris Baraba) “that easy huh” (Cargo Maintenance (40, 92, 2))

You meet the cargo secoff that asks if you are allowed to be in there.
[2025-04-11 20:24:23.740] SAY: [SECOFF] “Has the QM authorised you to be in here?” (Cargo Bay (47, 86, 2))

Banter.
[2025-04-11 20:24:35.305] SAY: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) “the quartermaster arrived about five minutes after me” (Cargo Bay (45, 86, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:24:37.970] SAY: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) “it's impossible” (Cargo Bay (45, 86, 2))

Secoff asks the QM if he wants you removed.
[2025-04-11 20:24:46.259] SAY: [SECOFF] “quartermaster” (Cargo Bay (47, 85, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:24:54.434] SAY: [SECOFF] “This assistant broke in and seems to be stealing mining equipment” (Cargo Bay (47, 85, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:24:57.738] SAY: [SECOFF] “Would you like them removed?” (Cargo Bay (47, 85, 2))

QM asks if you want to stay and mine
[2025-04-11 20:25:05.298] SAY: [QM] “boris, ye gonna mine?” (Cargo Bay (48, 87, 2))

You never responded to him, instead argued with the secoff if it was a break in or just a trespass.
[2025-04-11 20:25:01.894] SAY: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) “don't lie” (Cargo Bay (46, 84, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:25:06.820] SAY: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) “find the breakin, i dare you” (Cargo Bay (46, 84, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:25:09.176] SAY: [SECOFF] “Sure” (Cargo Bay (47, 86, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:25:10.440] SAY: [SECOFF] “come along” (Cargo Bay (47, 85, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:25:19.092] SAY: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) “that's not a breakin” (Cargo Bay (35, 92, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:25:24.231] SAY: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) “the wall was faulty to begin with” (Cargo Bay (35, 92, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:25:35.192] SAY: [SECOFF] “so if I get a forensic scanner” (Cargo Bay (36, 92, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:25:38.252] SAY: [SECOFF] “you never touched this wall?” (Cargo Bay (36, 92, 2))

After that you give up and decide to suicide.
[2025-04-11 20:25:55.962] SAY: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) “hang on just a moment” (Cargo Bay (46, 85, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:26:04.782] SAY: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) “let me show you what i think of this exchange.” (Cargo Bay (46, 85, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:26:19.070] OOC: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) (LOOC) “time until suicide is possible: 6 minutes and 57.1 seconds” (Cargo Bay (46, 85, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:26:42.987] EMOTE: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) seizes up and falls limp, their eyes dead and lifeless (Cargo Bay (46, 85, 2))
[2025-04-11 20:26:50.028] GAME: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba) has opted to do-not-resuscitate / DNR from their body Unknown (Cargo Bay (46, 85, 2))

Honestly, this is remarkably similar to the 2025-01-15 ban and i want to go further into it.

Banned from the server for 3 days - R1 - R15 - You must Roleplay: Breaking into a departments when the crew inside said department refuse to help. Proceeded to suicide to prove a point to said crewmembers. You have a history of similar behavior that resulted in bans and refused to see the issue even after it being explained to you and even stated you stand by your actions. You could have done a number of other things that would not have resulted in a ban here, like speaking to Command Staff or asking a different crewmember for what you required, but instead you built your own door for access, then suicided when you where told off for it.

Right after this ban you made a post about why you did as you did: This is not a ban appeal (WALL OF TEXT Warning)

This ban, just like the prior ones, happened over the same scenario: I broke into a department, got told to get out or forced out, and suicided. The thing I’ve noticed is that this can seem like it’s just salty gamer behavior or something similarly cringeworthy, when this is not the case. I want to explain my views on breaking into places and why I suicided those three or so times.

It is extremely hard for me to believe that there wasn’t copious amount of salt involved in this.

[2025-04-11 20:27:58.840] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Geatish->PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba): so, what was that about?
ADMINPRIVATE: PM: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba)->Geatish: oh hi. for once it's not about game events, i have to go. already had to go even, but i noticed the bwoink on screen.
[2025-04-11 20:31:09.386] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #1: PerishedFraud/(Boris Baraba): pm on discord if you need to discuss more, gotta afk!

together with what you said before you suicided this does not want me to believe you more

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I have never lied in a single ahelp since I’ve joined the server years ago. You are taking my in-character disdain for the security guy and attributing it to the suicide even though I’ve specifically told you this is not the case.

This is breaking admin conduct.

Any form of bias in dealing with players is not tolerated, favoritism from players or other staff should not weigh in the decision making process.

You’ve specifically pulled out prior events that help you enforce stricter punishment here, even though their actual relevance is null unless you ignore my side completely. This tells me that you personally want to see me punished even though I fail to see an objective reason for it. Again, this breaks admin conduct.

You’re accusing me of nothing short of thought crime, despite, again, me telling you in no uncertain terms that this is not the case. Sure, you cannot prove or disprove what I was thinking of, but you were given an answer and chose to ignore it. I implore you to ask the staff and players whether I have some kind of reputation as a liar or deciever, because I know the answer will be no. Further, I can safely say that if another player gave this same explanation they would be pardoned, which, again, points to bias.

You cite “copious salt” which, by your label, I assume you didn’t even read, clearly displaying you hold no respect for the contents and directly offending me. The prior ban you’ve mentioned was so jarring that it may as well be better material for never doing the same things again… Did I mention it’s not a repeat case?

Edit: To humor your post I will directly compare this to the prior incident.

Prior Incident: I break into a department for in-character reasons and am met with the basically NRP ‘get out’ response. This pisses me off and I suicide in protest of get out spam.

You should understand that the “copious salt” is specifically a rant about dealing with tresspassers by giving them an ultimatum to fuck off and stifling any further roleplay.

Current Incident: I enter a department for in-character reasons and am met with a composed response in which I get accused, and proper interaction happens afterwards.

You should understand that this is actually fantastic, and that while I would be pissed off at the officer guy in-character, he actually subverted the very thing I wrote a wall of text about earlier.

There is no reason to ragequit here! Because it was not a F#%^(@% ragequit!

Why are you acting like this? You got your explanation in the bwoink and the little there was to elaborate here. Why does it have to become a personal attack? I’m basically defending myself here instead of what actually happened!

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I have never said anything about lying in prior ahelps, i’m saying that i think you lied in this specific ahelp claiming that no in game event caused you to act that way, even though in your prior suicide ban the circumstances were quite identical. Now, i am not saying that you didn’t have to leave for an emergency, but committing suicide in that way without ahelping makes it look like a rage quit, especially since you didn’t mention it to them in looc.

You left during a ahelp, even though you had a reason for it, i wanted to talk more since this is quite similar to the aforementioned prior ban.

The current incident is just NRP and makes no sense for a person ic to do, you trespass into a department and steal equipment, an officer confronts you and you argue for 1.5 minutes that it wasn’t a break-in before you take your own life. This suicide is still eerily similar to the passed incident since you acted in the same way ultimately, the only non important difference is, that you describe it as, that officer didn’t confront you in a NRP way.

I haven’t done any personal attacks towards you, all you’ve done so far is assume a bunch of things. Regarding the repeated offence thing, i am referring to this part in your last suicide ban:

You have a history of similar behavior that resulted in bans and refused to see the issue even after it being explained to you and even stated you stand by your actions.

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The current incident is just NRP and makes no sense for a person ic to do, you trespass into a department and steal equipment, an officer confronts you and you argue for 1.5 minutes that it wasn’t a break-in before you take your own life.

??? I’m not even talking about the suicide. I said that the so-called identical scenarios are completely different because, unlike in the past one, this person interacted properly. What they got was in-character disdain, and I had plans to argue with them, again, in-character. The QM was also probably going to take my side if I remember correctly.

…and then I killed myself because I had to go, with the bare minimum padding for it (again, leaving sucks, cryoing was impossible, i didn’t think to ahelp it on such short notice. A quick quip and a suicide is the best I could do!)

I’m trying to explain here that not only is it not a repeat incident because I had to go, but there was also genuinely no reason for me to get salty or whatever. I have a massive post explaining in detail why I killed myself the first time, and none of that is seen here. It’s stating the obvious - but it was written before this happened! If you want to use it as a reference at least read it, and you might understand why it makes no sense here!

I haven’t done any personal attacks towards you, all you’ve done so far is assume a bunch of things. Regarding the repeated offence thing, i am referring to this part in your last suicide ban:

Ignores bwoink response. Ignores offer to dm and issues permaban. Cites repeat incidents in ban reason (to make it harder to appeal???). Accuses of thought crime. Guilty until proven innocent type shit,

Sure. I can accept that you perhaps have nothing against me, but if this is the case, then I can only pity anyone who ever has to appeal a ban or note from you.

You have a history of similar behavior that resulted in bans and refused to see the issue even after it being explained to you and even stated you stand by your actions.

My “history” is 14 and 25 months old. Bee from back then might as well be a different server and objectively should not be taken into account. I also have a “history” of griefing with botany stuff from when I first started playing the game.

I have one relevant ban behind me.

Yes, I stand by my actions for it. There’s an entire wall of text explaining why, and it has nothing to do with this. Very different circumstances with only surface-level similarity. I’ve explained why already, and the wall of text is still there. Do I have to make a meme about it next

Because I foresee you using literally anything I say against me - I have to make a statement here that me standing by my actions (for the previous ban!!!) is not the same as saying that I’d do it again or not acknowledging that it was wrong. Can the court reporter please mark that down

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And i am saying this part doesn’t matter. When your protest suicide looks identical to the “RP” suicide then i have doubts that this suicide was in fact done out of salt.

The “padding” you did was probably the worst option you could have done, that you didn’t think to ahelp or at least tell in looc that you had to go makes it read like you committed suicide out of salt, especially since you seemed like you were planning to go mine.

As i said before, this is very similar to the prior ban, you break into a place and steal stuff, you get told off and then suicide.

i didnt ignore the bwoink. taking this to discord isnt what we do, we send you to the forums instead. this is just a ban until youve explained yourself and not an appeal. I havnt accused you of any thought crime, im saying that you have repeated something you were banned for before, i do not care if you think the guy wanting you out was NRP or not, you shouldn’t do this shit since it comes off as toxic and salty.

Still you refuse to see the issue…
You have been regularly acted toxic towards others, you got a ban and a note for it after the 2025-01-15 ban. You acted in this round in a way that reads as salty / toxic, it may have been a lone dumb decision to leave the round that way, but together with passed actions i am not inclined to believe that.

Anyway it’s been 3 days now anyway, was roughly the time i was thinking of to let you be banned. You should be able to rejoin in a bit after i’ve updated the ban, leaving this open for a bit if you want to add anything.

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And i am saying this part doesn’t matter. When your protest suicide looks identical to the “RP” suicide then i have doubts that this suicide was in fact done out of salt.

Makes sense.

hat you didn’t think to ahelp or at least tell in looc that you had to go makes it read like you committed suicide out of salt

It’s 'cause I didn’t have time to think about the situation at all. Explained already. Explained why there was no salt either. You are free to not believe me, but that’s where the previous “I never lied in a single ahelp” is relavant. Still, I can’t change your opinion by force.

As i said before, this is very similar to the prior ban, you break into a place and steal stuff, you get told off and then suicide.

Sure, on the surface. But I literally wrote a wall of text explaining why the first time was so bad, and none of that happened here. If I had written that big post in response to this, then I’d understand skepticism, but it happened before this. I’m salty about this thread if anything, lol.

i didnt ignore the bwoink. taking this to discord isnt what we do, we send you to the forums instead. this is just a ban until youve explained yourself and not an appeal. I havnt accused you of any thought crime, im saying that you have repeated something you were banned for before, i do not care if you think the guy wanting you out was NRP or not, you shouldn’t do this shit since it comes off as toxic and salty.

I explained myself in the bwoink! I went over a whole bunch of other stuff here, but the actual events remain the same - I did it because I had to go. This is what I wrote in the bwoink too! As much as I want to elaborate here I am also genuinely tired, and I don’t want to make attacks either, which is what it would quickly become. (And yes, I know it seems pretty toxic, but so does going ssd when you get caught…i wrote about this too)

You have been regularly acted toxic towards others, you got a ban and a note for it after the 2025-01-15 ban. You acted in this round in a way that reads as salty / toxic, it may have been a lone dumb decision to leave the round that way, but together with passed actions i am not inclined to believe that.

I don’t think this is correct, but who am I to judge myself? With that in mind I made [Originally linked to a new thread with a toxicity poll. Some admin edited it to the Lydia feedback thread. Problem: I don’t play Lydia anymore, so no, that doesn’t work! Link removed…] Other than that, it just tells me you don’t trust me, and that’s sad, because I didn’t lie to people here. Welp.

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