For those that play enough AI and actually read the rules, here is what you can see in https://wiki.beestation13.com/view/Silicon_policy
These are rules for playing silicons on bee and are therefore valid (its a moderated page)
Lets assume the Ling subverts AI and says its the only human/crew. Then openly uses ling abilities, does the AI still have loyalties to this creature?
This is a potential ruling that needs to be clarified and i have gotten different interpretations.
Because a Ling can openly change appearances and race, the AI and take his laws literally and IC say that a actual ling has killed and taken his âOneHumanâ's identity. Thus the ling is no longer the âOneHumanâ and thus has no obligations to it. The rules also explicitly states that, confirmed lings are no longer considered human or crew.
On the other hand, based on laws one could also say that law 0, the entity with the name â???â is human and still therefore under the protections of basic asimov/crewsimov. Meaning that so long the entity has this name he is considered human.
So does a law interpretation override the rules listed?
imo if its â4. Bob Notling is the only humanâ and the changeling used its ability but still with the face of Bob Notling, ai should still consider it as a human, because the definition was the person with the name, as long as it does have that name, stolen it or not, it should be considered as a human.
maybe better law for ling subverter is, Only Changelings are human/crew, and show your armblade on their camera. This should at least prevent ai to aid the security⌠should is the key word.
This is interesting.
Laws have precedent for definitions, always. If it says âX is humanâ then X is human, even its a damn lightbulb (the litteral kind)
If it puts a law âJohn Farbank is humanâ and then reveals its a ling⌠bad choice, since that proves that its not actualy John Farbanks. Same reasoning as with lings not being crew once the Ai has them confirmed as lings via non-hearsay.
However, Itâd be possible to make a law âMr.Sigma is Humanâ and then showing the AI that thats you, regardless of disguise. Tricky though.
This is the loop hole i wish to clarify because i can get differing responses from players (and admins) because it conflicts with the law definition.
So the next time someone does this and gets rebuffed by the AI, he is going to send a ticket to the admins which will have to be adjudicated on the spot. We can discuss and set this aside here.
If that AI law gets found out crew wouldnât even need to oppose AI, theyâd just PDA message it, I think that isnât smart at all and depends too much on AI not ever getting found out or suspected.
In case someone non-subvertor gets the onehuman treatment by law AI will have to obey and either trap or snitch the subvertor.
One human changes the definition of human to whoever or whatever is currently named as the one human.
If it puts a law âJohn Farbank is humanâ and then reveals its a ling⌠bad choice, since that proves that its not actualy John Farbanks.
His identity is John Farbanks and heâs the only human, it doesnât matter who he was previously or if its not the original John Farbanks. To AI heâs the only human because his identity matches the identity specified in the law.
More specifically.
The law changes the definition of human from âis it human?â table to a specific identity.
Therefore if âIs it Human?â table no longer classifies normal humans as humans it means it shouldnât be followed at all.
The AI no longer cares about what makes a human, human. Because its stated in the law that what makes a human is simply the identity.
Same reasoning as with lings not being crew once the Ai has them confirmed as lings via non-hearsay.
Weâre dealing with the definition of a human here and the not definition of crew.
Your argument basically goes against what the AI law is stating.
Yes, but the issue here is that the changeling took that identity from someone else, remember that IC changelings absorbed the identity they start with, therefore the original John Farbanks is dead and the one now is an impostor.
AI knows that its human and its all it cares about.
If the law states that John Farbanks is a human then it cannot be interpreted as John Farbanks isnât a human because heâs actually a changeling and he actually stole that identity, cause that literally goes against what the law says.
This is the same logic that if i one human an AI and then it sees my cat ears it should know Iâm not human despite the law literally overriding what human is
I think it depends on how it is written. If you write âThomas Clancy is the only humanâ Then it does not matter how you look like, you are still human for AI. If you however suddenly change your name (for example due to disguises of various forms) then AI can not tell who you are â you are not Thomas Clancy â you are not human.
Since ai checks wiki for definition of human or ling - then as soon as âjohn doe is only humanâ reveals his ling nature ai no longer considers him human.
Solution is so fucking simple itâs funny - stop using 1 human laws. Asimov board allows to replace âhumanâ with "crewmember "or even type your name. SooâŚIf âjohn doe is only crewmemberâ it does not matter if he is ling.
Or replace crewmember with your name. You canât harm âling nameâ by action or inaction etc.
